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It sounds bad but really it isn't in my POV. They were training bombs so just the metal casing and yes they were dropped inside the marine park area but not in a sensitive part of the park. The biggest damage will be the PR campaign for the US Navy. Either the bomb is dropped or the plane is ditched. I choose bomb.

 

Many people will read too much into this but those bombs are not much different in size to a boat anchor. The US Navy was invited there and was training with Australia.

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OH THE HORROR!!!!  


Comeon.  This is barely even local newsworthy...much less some type of international incident.  If it's that big of deal though, they'll just go and recover them.

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Ignorant folks such as Australian Sen. Larissa Waters really should think more carefully before broadcasting their vacuuous thoughts to the public.

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This marine park covers 345,400 km² of coast line so obviously not much chance of avoiding it given the circumstance. They were told where to drop and in an area that is not a sensitive area with coral reefs.

 

Like I said these 'bombs' are about the size of a boat anchor so them setting down on the ocean floor is no different then dropping an anchor from a boat, and they dropped them in an area away from any reefs. People are just going to make more out of this then it really is.

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Commenting on communist ideology tends to get me in trouble so I'm stopping here.

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Well there was the time the United States dropped an atomic Bomb over the St Lawrence river in Quebec:

November 10, 1950 – Rivière-du-Loup, Québec, Canada – Non-nuclear detonation of an atomic bomb
Returning one of several U.S. Mark 4 nuclear bombs secretly deployed in Canada, a USAF B-50 had engine trouble and jettisoned the weapon at 10,500 feet (3,200 m). The crew set the bomb to self-destruct at 2,500 ft (760 m) and dropped over the St. Lawrence River. The explosion shook area residents and scattered nearly 100 pounds (45 kg) of uranium (U-238) used in the weapon's tamper. The plutonium core ("pit") was not in the bomb at the time.


At the time it was called 'Lightning' as the bomb did smash windows of area residence and caused property damage. It wasn't until the 1980's that this was declassified. This is one of a few Broken Arrow incidents around this time, another Broken Arrow occurred in British Columbia:

 

February 13, 1950 – British Columbia, Canada – 1950 British Columbia B-36 crash—non-nuclear detonation of a simulated atomic bomb
A USAF B-36 bomber, AF Ser. No. 44-92075, was flying a simulated combat mission from Eielson Air Force Base, near Fairbanks, Alaska, to Carswell Air Force Base in Fort Worth, Texas, carrying one weapon containing a dummy warhead. The warhead contained uranium instead of plutonium. After six hours of flight, the bomber experienced mechanical problems and was forced to shut down three of its six engines at an altitude of 12,000 feet (3,700 m). Fearing that severe weather and icing would jeopardize a safe emergency landing, the weapon was jettisoned over the Pacific Ocean from a height of 8,000 ft (2,400 m). The weapon's high explosives detonated upon impact. All of the sixteen crew members and one passenger were able to parachute from the plane and twelve were subsequently rescued from Princess Royal Island. The Pentagon's summary report does not mention if the weapon was later recovered.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_nuclear_accidents

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I wouldn't be surprised if Nancy Pelosi or Barbara Boxer doesn't attempt some stupid legislation banning training exercises. This Australian woman could fit in nicely with these two. I guess every village has to have an idiot.

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I wouldn't be surprised if Nancy Pelosi or Barbara Boxer doesn't attempt some stupid legislation banning training exercises. This Australian woman could fit in nicely with these two. I guess every village has to have an idiot.

And I will supoort them! One small portion of a reef is far more important than any bombing exercise on this world. War mongers.

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This is an "aviation" situation NOT political. Just to keep the facts straights, no portion of the reef was damaged (according to reports - I didn't inspect it personally)......... :rolleyes:

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And I will supoort them! One small portion of a reef is far more important than any bombing exercise on this world. War mongers.

I suspect that more than one of these war mongers has died for your freedom. Read the reports a bit closer. No damage was done.

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Ignorant folks such as Australian Sen. Larissa Waters really should think more carefully before broadcasting their vacuuous thoughts to the public.

 

It's inappropriately harsh to dismiss this women as "ignorant" just on the basis of this matter, and her views on it.She is a representative of the Australian senate, and as this incident happened in her country, as the result of a military accident by another nation, I would say she in entitled to her view, and it's neither vacuous nor unreasonable in my view.

 

What does come across from reading the above posts is that the angriest people, firing off the harshest views are those from the US.....

 

If this incident is as benign and meaningless as is being suggested, then why the defensiveness?

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And I will supoort them! One small portion of a reef is far more important than any bombing exercise on this world. War mongers.

 

You make it seem like the plan all along was to drop bombs on the reef... it wasn't. Give the actual situation the alternatives are:

 

1) have a 2 planes crash into a reef which would endanger the pilots and anything in the vicinity of a jet crashing into the water (cause the reef much more damage then some dummy bombs)

 

2) have 2 planes attempt a dangerous landing which would again endanger the pilots and the crew of whatever vessel they are landing on. 

 

The lack of common-sense here is really starting to worry me. 

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She is a representative of the Australian senate, and as this incident happened in her country, as the result of a military accident by another nation, I would say she in entitled to her view, and it's neither vacuous nor unreasonable in my view

 

Completely agree.

 

While the end result may be negligible she has every right to express her view and should not be labelled as ignorant.

 

I wonder if posters would be off the same opinion if the Australian Airforce dropped "dummy" bombs on say Old Faithful in Yellowstone.

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Commenting on communist ideology tends to get me in trouble so I'm stopping here.

 

I think that is an absolutely sterling idea. Warning to everyone; if this waxes political, and I read things like "warmongering" again, this topic will be closed and the offenders given appropriate alternative solutions to their web reading pleasures.As it is, the warmongering sentiment has resulted in a ban from this topic.

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It's inappropriately harsh to dismiss this women as "ignorant" just on the basis of this matter, and her views on it.She is a representative of the Australian senate, and as this incident happened in her country, as the result of a military accident by another nation, I would say she in entitled to her view, and it's neither vacuous nor unreasonable in my view.

Ignorance (lack of knowledge) is curable via education along with a willingness to learn. To speak without knowing accurate facts is vacuous and devoid of meaning.

 

Ignorance is also not an insult; I freely admit that there are vast areas of knowledge of which I'm ignorant. It is not something of which one need feel ashamed, unless it is willful ignorance (refusal to learn).

Australian Sen. Larissa Waters, the influential Greens party's spokeswoman on the Great Barrier Reef, described the dumping of bombs in such an environmentally sensitive area as "outrageous" and said it should not be allowed. (emphasis mine)

She made such a statement as though the crew actually had a real choice in the matter.

 

I also submit that something dropped in water would most certainly have far less adverse impact damage as opposed to -say- dropping that same item on land...

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As it is, the warmongering sentiment has resulted in a ban from this topic

 

Tom i don't mean to be offensive, i appreciate that moderating this site is like herding cats but, it may be that today i am a little testy from our 1984 style government and our new "China-lite" Firewall but:

 

From your signature

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin"

 

Seriously???  Liberty...you know the freedom to speak your mind (or write) on controversial topics.

 

From my favourite American, possibly favourite human being:

"The majority, oppressing an individual, is guilty of a crime, abuses its strength and by acting acting on the law of the strongest breaks up the foundations of society"

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Seriously??? Liberty...you know the freedom to speak your mind (or write) on controversial topics.

 

Ian, I suggest you go back and re-read our terms of service. Carefully..

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Ian, I suggest you go back and re-read our terms of service. Carefully..

 

Thank you Tom.  I am now much clearer after reading the section on "Freedom of Speech".  

Though at the risk of pushing my luck a little, i wasn't commenting on AVSIM's policies, i was commenting on your puzzling response to the topic with reference to the quote on your signature.

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reference to the quote on your signature.

 

That refers to our American environment today.

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That refers to our American political environment today.

 

Indeed...and not just the American political environment.

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It's inappropriately harsh to dismiss this women as "ignorant" just on the basis of this matter, and her views on it.She is a representative of the Australian senate, and as this incident happened in her country, as the result of a military accident by another nation, I would say she in entitled to her view, and it's neither vacuous nor unreasonable in my view.

 

 

Not to be defensive, but it was a joint exercise between the US and Australia. Military action, in the form of an exercise or otherwise, has an inherent risk involved. Upon being invited to the exercise I think it is fair that all parties involved realize the risks.  

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The statement issued by the US Navy reads:

 

After being unable to expend their ordnance during a planned training mission, and having insufficient fuel to reach their pre-designated jettison area, the pilots jettisoned the ordnance in an unarmed condition on 16 July.

 

 

The inability to reach their pre-designated jettison area suggests that the planning went wrong.

 

Incidentally surely it's irrelevant which navy jettisoned the bombs..

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Not to be defensive, but it was a joint exercise between the US and Australia. Military action, in the form of an exercise or otherwise, has an inherent risk involved. Upon being invited to the exercise I think it is fair that all parties involved realize the risks.  

Well said. My understanding is we were invited. Accidents can happen. I certainly hope we never need the expertise to defend our nation from a geyser field.

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