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I have read a few threads on here however this is more a specialized thread. I know I am going to be buying a Saitek Pro Flight, I have an X52 but I rarely fly military aircraft so the joystick fora 737/757 or any GA aircraft is not really doing it justice. I was wondering on the Pro Flight if the T5/T6 buttons could be used as sliders for the rudder until I get my rudder pedals in, also same question on the Cessna Version.

 

How is the build quality of the Cessna Version over the Pro Flight?

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I had the Pro Flight model and worn it out over 3+ years of use. I now have the Cessna version. Overall, they both work. However, the quality and feel of the Cessna model is worth the extra cost. I have had the Cessna model for about 3 months and really enjoy it. I hope it lasts as long as the Pro Flight one did.

 

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Danny

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Hi Danny,

 

How do the two yokes (Pro Flight and Cessna) compare in terms of precision? Does the Cessna yoke also have the large hardware deadzones, especially in the pitch axis?

 

Thanks,

Tym

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I was wondering on the Pro Flight if the T5/T6 buttons could be used as sliders for the rudder until I get my rudder pedals in, also same question on the Cessna Version.

 

I don't think you can do this with buttons at all.  The rudder needs to be an axis.  Maybe there would be something you could do with FSUIPC though?

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Hi Danny,

 

How do the two yokes (Pro Flight and Cessna) compare in terms of precision? Does the Cessna yoke also have the large hardware deadzones, especially in the pitch axis?

 

Thanks,

Tym

 

 

Tym:

 

The Cessna yoke is more precise than the Pro yoke, noticibly, but not by a significant amount. However, I do use FSUIPC to calibrate all of my controllers, so, through that program I am able to tailor the sensitivity. I did open the Cessna yoke up and replace the main spring with a couple rubber bands to lessen the centering force.

 

Danny

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I did open the Cessna yoke up and replace the main spring with a couple rubber bands to lessen the centering force.

 

Danny

 

+1 That is a wonderful mod, wish I had done it sooner.

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Less issues with the Cessna yoke as well since it doesn't have the front LCD display as on the standard Pro Flight yoke. This display was the cause of some returns on this model. Re assigning rudder to buttons... By default in FSX this has to be assigned to a control axis. I think you can assign rudder trim to buttons, but that wont work well at all for actual responsive rudder control. In other words, don't take too long to get your rudder pedals hooked up and working :)

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I have a question regarding the Cessna yoke as well - does it suffer from the same stickiness as the Pro flight version?

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I have a question regarding the Cessna yoke as well - does it suffer from the same stickiness as the Pro flight version?

 

I have had mine for over a year  now and have experienced no sticking whatsoever.  It is very smooth on all axis.

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Well I ended up purchasing the Pro Flight line, not the Cessna line, and I am still impressed, perhaps my model is the newest or I just got lucky, not really noticing any sticking, the detents are noticeable but with some tweaking they pose no "threat" to smooth hand flying. Bought my setup from Amazon.com for a total of 225 USD (Yoke, quadrant, pedals) and got 7.99 overnight shipping, can't argue with that.

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I have had my Cessna Yoke for over a year and as an upgrade from my Pro Flight Yoke(s), which I've always had issues with, it was definitely worth it.

The Pro Flight Yoke was always a bit sticky, unprecise, deadzones were too big, elevator axis was sticky, aileron axis was squeeky and sticky, yoke died after one year.

Cessna Yoke, much much smoother, double the aileron axis travel, preciser, better quality, quieter throttle quadrant levers.

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I have had my Cessna Yoke for over a year and as an upgrade from my Pro Flight Yoke(s), which I've always had issues with, it was definitely worth it.

 

The Pro Flight Yoke was always a bit sticky, unprecise, deadzones were too big, elevator axis was sticky, aileron axis was squeeky and sticky, yoke died after one year.

 

Cessna Yoke, much much smoother, double the aileron axis travel, preciser, better quality, quieter throttle quadrant levers.

 

hhhhmmm I wonder if the newer Saitek stuff is better now than most of the reviews that were done a few years ago, or like I said I could have just gotten lucky..... *knocks on wood*

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hhhhmmm I wonder if the newer Saitek stuff is better now than most of the reviews that were done a few years ago, or like I said I could have just gotten lucky..... *knocks on wood*

The thing will start to develop issues real soon.

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Check out the Avsim review of the Cessna Yoke and pedals.  Maybe 18 months ago or so.

 

Ray

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hhhhmmm I wonder if the newer Saitek stuff is better now than most of the reviews that were done a few years ago, or like I said I could have just gotten lucky..... *knocks on wood*

 

I think it is the same. No changes. I am getting more Saitek back lately with issues than I ever did in the past, so there might be a quality control issue at any particular time, but it could also just be coincidence, or I received a lot of stock from a production run that, for whatever reason, was not assembled as well as others... hard to say!

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I appreciate the input.

 

I've owned the Pro flight version for about 18 months, but am looking at the Cessna one due to the greater aileron axis travel.  However, it it had the same issues with the detents and stickiness, I wouldn't bother.

 

I've been looking at mods tonight; I think I may open it up first and see what kind of damage I can do.  :)

 

I've considered upgrading to a more expensive yoke, but I always have trouble convincing myself of the price...

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I think it is the same. No changes. I am getting more Saitek back lately with issues than I ever did in the past

 

So are there any specific models or products at fault for these returns?  any stats you can share?

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So are there any specific models or products at fault for these returns?  any stats you can share?

 

Well, The Saitek ProFlight Yoke and the Throttle Quadrant have been returned the most. Still the percentage is low vs sales, but in the Saitek lines this item is the most problematic on a return vs sale ratio. Mostly the LCD panel ont he front is the cause of many issues with it.

 

I've had one Saitek Cessna Yoke returned recently with a faulty USB cable, but that is the only one that has come back and I have sold a bunch of those!

 

Re Saitek pedals... Very good and generally few, if any returns so far. I might have had 1 Saitek ProFlight pedals returned about 2 years ago. Saitek pedals are generally very reliable.

 

There have been one or two returns on Saitek panel products, but nothing out of the ordinary in terms of expected failure or problem rate for any product.

 

Saitek X52 Pro very good. About 1% return rate. Saitek X65F, about the same. Very reliable.

 

Saitek Cyborg FLY5 joysticks also quite reliable with few problems reported.

 

The most common returned items are the ProFlight Yoke and the Throttle Quadrant (although again, the ratio is still within "normal" limits)

 

Hope that helps!

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Thank you for that great reply.  It contains a good deal of valuable information that is perhaps more informative than the more general indication of greater returns on Saitek products.  Has there been any consistent theme in the return of throttle quadrants?  I have the Pro Flight Cessna Yoke and the DIN plug quadrant that's included with it.  The only issue I have had with my yoke and it's DIN connection quadrant is that the built in hub of the yoke lacks enough punch to power the separate Saitek USB Multi-Panel I have added.  I find I must connect the Multi-Panel either directly to a USB port on my computer or to a separate third party powered USB hub.  I tried the separate Saitek power supply for the yoke but it did not resolve that issue.  

 

I have considered adding an additional quadrant, which would be USB.  I would be interested to learn if the customers returning throttle quadrants (assumed here to be the USB variety) were attempting to connect them to the USB ports on a Saitek yoke, or connecting them direct to the computer or direct to a separate powered USB hub. 

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Well, The Saitek ProFlight Yoke and the Throttle Quadrant have been returned the most. Still the percentage is low vs sales, but in the Saitek lines this item is the most problematic on a return vs sale ratio. Mostly the LCD panel ont he front is the cause of many issues with it.

 

I've had one Saitek Cessna Yoke returned recently with a faulty USB cable, but that is the only one that has come back and I have sold a bunch of those!

 

Re Saitek pedals... Very good and generally few, if any returns so far. I might have had 1 Saitek ProFlight pedals returned about 2 years ago. Saitek pedals are generally very reliable.

 

There have been one or two returns on Saitek panel products, but nothing out of the ordinary in terms of expected failure or problem rate for any product.

 

Saitek X52 Pro very good. About 1% return rate. Saitek X65F, about the same. Very reliable.

 

Saitek Cyborg FLY5 joysticks also quite reliable with few problems reported.

 

The most common returned items are the ProFlight Yoke and the Throttle Quadrant (although again, the ratio is still within "normal" limits)

 

Hope that helps!

 

Thanks for taking the time to provide this excellent information from a well established retailer that has taken at least 100 USD of my money in the past :P, oh and thanks for the free mouse pad too! B)

 

BTW out of say 100 Saitek Pro Flight yokes, how many do you see returned for failures, even a "guesstimate" would be appreciative?

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Thanks for taking the time to provide this excellent information from a well established retailer that has taken at least 100 USD of my money in the past :P, oh and thanks for the free mouse pad too! B)

 

BTW out of say 100 Saitek Pro Flight yokes, how many do you see returned for failures, even a "guesstimate" would be appreciative?

 

A guesstimate only... probably no more than 5 tops. So a 5% issue rate tops from the ones we have sold - Not too bad really.

Thank you for that great reply.  It contains a good deal of valuable information that is perhaps more informative than the more general indication of greater returns on Saitek products.  Has there been any consistent theme in the return of throttle quadrants?  I have the Pro Flight Cessna Yoke and the DIN plug quadrant that's included with it.  The only issue I have had with my yoke and it's DIN connection quadrant is that the built in hub of the yoke lacks enough punch to power the separate Saitek USB Multi-Panel I have added.  I find I must connect the Multi-Panel either directly to a USB port on my computer or to a separate third party powered USB hub.  I tried the separate Saitek power supply for the yoke but it did not resolve that issue.  

 

I have considered adding an additional quadrant, which would be USB.  I would be interested to learn if the customers returning throttle quadrants (assumed here to be the USB variety) were attempting to connect them to the USB ports on a Saitek yoke, or connecting them direct to the computer or direct to a separate powered USB hub. 

 

There are issues if you try and plug high-power USB devices (or ones with high data throughput) direct into the back of the Saitek Yoke. That is my experience yes and I hear the same from customers as well at times. Its definitely best to go direct to the USB ports on your PC, or to a good quality powered USB hub for Saitek panels and accessories.

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There are issues if you try and plug high-power USB devices (or ones with high data throughput) direct into the back of the Saitek Yoke. That is my experience yes and I hear the same from customers as well at times. Its definitely best to go direct to the USB ports on your PC, or to a good quality powered USB hub for Saitek panels and accessories.

 

I agree that in this case it is best to follow that direction.  So that begs the question of why the manufacturer even then puts the USB ports onto the back of the yoke.  The same manufacturer markets a variety of add-on panels and switch banks that are all USB connected and that feature set implies they will work together.  So is this (not you) saying that the hub on the yoke is not a good quality one?  There is also a jack to connect an external power supply, which in the case of my yoke does not solve the issue.  When you are providing feedback to this manufacturer re: returns it might be appropriate to bring up this issue.

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I agree that in this case it is best to follow that direction.  So that begs the question of why the manufacturer even then puts the USB ports onto the back of the yoke.  The same manufacturer markets a variety of add-on panels and switch banks that are all USB connected and that feature set implies they will work together.  So is this (not you) saying that the hub on the yoke is not a good quality one?  There is also a jack to connect an external power supply, which in the case of my yoke does not solve the issue.  When you are providing feedback to this manufacturer re: returns it might be appropriate to bring up this issue.

 

I think its more to do with the limitations of USB itself. You get the exact same issues if you use unpowered hubs. There is a power limit of course with USB hubs, and hence its best to use self-powered ones to overcome this limitation. There may be data throughput issues as well, but I am not that clued into that side of things with USB. I am surprised the external power connector did not help in your case however. When you had that connected to the yoke, where was the USB cable from the yoke plugged into? Direct to the PC USB ports (preferably the ones attached to the back of the case which are directly motherboard-mounted) or did you have the Saitek Yoke running through another external Hub port?

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I am surprised the external power connector did not help in your case however. When you had that connected to the yoke, where was the USB cable from the yoke plugged into? Direct to the PC USB ports (preferably the ones attached to the back of the case which are directly motherboard-mounted) or did you have the Saitek Yoke running through another external Hub port?

 

I always connect direct to USB ports on the computer.  To reiterate, when I used the Saitek specific external power supply(s) connected to the yoke (two separately sourced Saitek power supplies) the best indication of power to the Saitek Multi-panel was less effective power (panel LED's significantly dimmer and resulting terminal fall-out to failure) than with no external power supply connected.  Several months ago I had private exchange with another member with seemingly identical experience.  I now connect the Multi-Panel direct to the computer and in doing that have no issues at all.  There does however seem to be an issue with the USB hub built into the Saitek Cessna Pro Cessna Yoke.  If one has adequate other USB ports to compensate for this then there should be no residual issue.  

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