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Ladies and Gentlemen...the Boeing 777x

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Today, Boeing made its official announcement of the new generation of the Boeing 777, the Boeing 777x.  Most people well informed in the news of aviation have known that it exists, and it was a matter of time before we saw what it will be.

 

http://www.newairplane.com/777x/

 

New features include folding wingtips, something originally proposed for the 7E7, which failed to extend to the 787.

 

 

She's not expected to enter service until 2020, so at least our newly-won FSX product won't be something that is out-of-date from the state-of-the-art.  

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At last the flight deck is going to be Grey . I always hated the "light brown" color on the current generation 777's

 

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IMO This is not good for PMDG in terms of future product extensions. Both the 737 MAX and the 777X will look very similar to the 787 rather than their respective predecessors (737NG, 777) with regards to primary instrumentation.

 

777X:

 

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737 MAX:

 

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Is it just me or are the new Boeings looking more and more like executive jet transports with G1000 kits in them :LMAO: ???

 

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Avantime (sorry, I can't read your First name on my phone), why would that be bad for PMDG? If anything, Boring trying to standardize their lineup would mean a faster development rate for PMDG. It would/should be possible to port over certain code and/or features with minimal changes. That in itself will be a very welcome feature, I'd say.

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Is it just me or are the new Boeings looking more and more like executive jet transports with G1000 kits in them :LMAO: ???

 

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Bizjets have been ahead of commerical airliners when it comes to avionics for a while now. They generally fly faster and higher too, though that's also a question of economics.

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In my humble opinion I don`t find any of Boeing`s future aircraft designs attractive from both pilot and aviation enthusiast points of view, the older models like the current 737, 747 and 777 is definitely something I would want to work with, all the next gen aircraft makes me reconsider a career in commercial aviation...

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In my humble opinion I don`t find any of Boeing`s future aircraft designs attractive from both pilot and aviation enthusiast points of view, the older models like the current 737, 747 and 777 is definitely something I would want to work with, all the next gen aircraft makes me reconsider a career in commercial aviation...

 

 

Just the way things are heading mate. We're getting the same thing in Trucking too, where your 18 speed manual Kenworth is going the way of the Dodo, to make way for the auto gearbox Volvo European Trucks

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I'm surprised, I thought the 787 was meant to be the successor, in terms of fuel efficiency, range, and wing design.   

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Avantime (sorry, I can't read your First name on my phone), why would that be bad for PMDG? If anything, Boring trying to standardize their lineup would mean a faster development rate for PMDG. It would/should be possible to port over certain code and/or features with minimal changes. That in itself will be a very welcome feature, I'd say.

 

If the 777X resembled its predecessor then PMDG could release a product extension in short order - a bit like what they're doing with the 747-8 which is very similar cockpit-wise to the 747-400, despite a 15-year gap in technology. Unfortunately with the 777X being this different from the existing 777 PMDG would have to spend years in development - perhaps until 2018/2019 after the completion of their existing projects, which is a very long way away. Of course once the 777X is complete the 737 MAX and 787 development time will be significantly reduced, but we'll be talking a potential timeframe of 2020/2021 here - 8 years from now.

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At last the flight deck is going to be Grey . I always hated the "light brown" color on the current generation 777's

 

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Yep the grey looks a 100 times better.

I'm surprised, I thought the 787 was meant to be the successor, in terms of fuel efficiency, range, and wing design.

But it lacks the capacity of the 777. The 777x is supposed bridge the gap between the 787 and 747.

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No more brown cockpit?  :(  Anything ever good always gets ruined!

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Just the way things are heading mate. We're getting the same thing in Trucking too, where your 18 speed manual Kenworth is going the way of the Dodo, to make way for the auto gearbox Volvo European Trucks

Unfortunately that`s the way this world works, whatever is good which we form likings around always gets replaced by something we dislike.

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I'm wondering if the folding wingtips will ever see production.  They offered the same to AA with the original 777 in a bid to win over the carrier (it worked, as the extra design effort won over the carrier who had been leaning towards the competition).  As it was, the option was never taken up.

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They'll probably be standard on the 777x.

The reason the original design was never introduced, is because it was a very complex design. Lights, bleed air for anti-ice, and not the least of worries, a piece of the aileron were all incorporated into the folding wingtip.

This new design is MUCH simpler. Pretty much everything is brought inboard of the fold. The ailerons and lights will be inboard of the fold. I remember reading they would add some electric anti-ice (can't remember if that was for the entire wing, or only the wingtip), but I don't remember where.

This means that all they have to design now, is a folding piece of wing. Much like a flap, though a little different in design.

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The airplane looks amazing, but there is one part.

 

The flight deck. I've never liked those huge displays... there's just something about them that doesn't remind me of a commercial airliner.

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I'm willing to bet quite a few people said the same thing when the steam gauges were replaced. Whichever way you look at it, that's called evolution.

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I'm willing to bet quite a few people said the same thing when the steam gauges were replaced. Whichever way you look at it, that's called evolution.

 

I guess so. Things change no matter what, I guess we'll be used to them in a few year's time.

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but we'll be talking a potential timeframe of 2020/2021 here - 8 years from now.

 

I remember quite well witnessing one of the very first flights of the A380 here in Hamburg. That was back in 2005: already over 8 years ago.

The T7X in service 2020/2021? That is actually only 6/7 years to go.

The T7X will replace e.g. Lufthansa Group's A340-300 fleet (in service from 1994 on).

This displays Lufthansa's 25 years airframe age policy. So T7X's end of first life cycle will be 2046 (when I turn 77). Will they then use Li-Ion cells or will they only be operated by Emirates?

No more brown cockpit?

 

The flight deck. I've never liked those huge displays...

 

I am actually wondering why there are pilot's seats at all. So wailing about grey instead of brown or the super wide screen monitor's is in my eyes actually missing the fact that pilotless A/Cs are becoming more and more a reality.

Probably somewhere between 2025 and 2045 the "single pilot option" will be complemented by the "no pilot option"...

 

Always happy landings,

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I am actually wondering why there are pilot's seats at all. So wailing about grey instead of brown or the super wide screen monitor's is in my eyes actually missing the fact that pilotless A/Cs are becoming more and more a reality.

Probably somewhere between 2025 and 2045 the "single pilot option" will be complemented by the "no pilot option"...

 

The current poor state of ATC (i.e. FAA de-funding/sequestration, EU's fragmented airspace, China's air force overriding all civilian ATC, Cutbacks in Australian ATC with TIBA, non-existent ATC in Africa etc) combined with expensive satcomm bandwidth charges makes radio calls a necessity - which in fast jets you'll need a 2nd pilot to operate.

 

I don't think we'll see pilotless airliners anytime soon - there has to be someone in charge of safety of the passengers and someone easy (and probably dead) for the airlines to blame in case of an accident - otherwise the airlines, software and avionics manufacturers may face billions of dollars of potential liability from US class action lawsuits. Product liability drove most of the general aviation manufacturers (like Cessna) to near bankruptcy in the 70s and 80s so it's a very serious matter.

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there has to be someone in charge of safety of the passengers and someone easy (and probably dead) for the airlines to blame in case of an accident

You name it! During my PPL lessons I was told that in the case of a crash with two pilots in the cockpit (one pilot being dead) the surviving pilot should pull the dead pilot on the left seat to make sure for everyone: he did it, but now he's dead, so what?...

 

 


Product liability drove most of the general aviation manufacturers (like Cessna) to near bankruptcy in the 70s and 80s so it's a very serious matter.

Yes, I think I know the case you are talking about. The guy who blamed Cessna that he crash landed his plane because he ran out of fuel? He was given right because Cessna did not explicitly mention in their manuals that the plane requires fuel for flying...

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