Hello Carlos (COWL),  You are entitled to your opinion regarding purchasing products and then finding faults afterwards.  The sad fact  is that we human beings are not perfect and mistakes/errors will be made including yourself, as while reading your Posts there are several spelling errors within them and you are not taking the necessary steps to correct them.  PMDG are taking all the criticism we are throwing at them BUT they are also taking the necessary steps to avoid rushing the repairs.  Kyle gave a very good explanation as to what is involved and should be read again.  I personally have not had any problems with the T777.   Richard Welsh.

I love the product however, I would love it even more if it wouldn't freeze every 10-15 minutes for 5-10 minutes "a pop". I have no add-ons other than several Payware Aircraft. My FSX is "bare bones" so to speak. 

 

I haven't flown the PMDG B777 in a couple of months now primarily because of this freezing issue. I very much look forward to the remedy as I know that it is being "looked in to". 

 

Kind regards, 

Hello Carlos (COWL),  You are entitled to your opinion regarding purchasing products and then finding faults afterwards.  The sad fact  is that we human beings are not perfect and mistakes/errors will be made including yourself, as while reading your Posts there are several spelling errors within them and you are not taking the necessary steps to correct them.  PMDG are taking all the criticism we are throwing at them BUT they are also taking the necessary steps to avoid rushing the repairs.  Kyle gave a very good explanation as to what is involved and should be read again.  I personally have not had any problems with the T777.   Richard Welsh.

 

Hello Richard

 

With regard to my spelling erros, they could be maybe  because english is not my mother tongue, and because I write them rahter quicky. Nevertheless I think people here can understand me and anyway I apologize for that.

 

And yes, I know everybody makes mistakes (including me, and a lot of them in fact), but if you read my posts carefully you'll see I'm not attacking PMDG at all, nor pretending to say anything unrespectfully. As I said I've been a fan of PMDG for years and for me they are the best (I only use their aircrafts). I'm only giving my opinion about something that (in my opinion) are not doing right, which is not releasing a hotfix for the FBW issue, wich for many of us is rather important, and making us wait for months in order to use satisfactorily the product we purchased four months ago.

 

I perfectly know that the software development process is very difficult and error-prone, no problem with that. But if there was a bug, and you have already fixed that bug (I read somewere that the FWB had been completely rewritten), I think it should have already been made available to us. I'm not trying to harm anyone...

 

Best regards.

Hi Olli.

 

Excuse me, but I don't see the point of this link. I don't understand what you mean...

 

Regards.

 

 

It's been laid out pretty well in all these posts here, that followed ours. But, on request, the long version of my short post:

 

It all boils down to the question whether the current state of the FBW is a show-stopping bug or not (it's not, IMO).

 

If it were, PMDG would have to react quickly (again, it's not, in my book).

 

If it's less than show-stopping, only involved developers will know exactly whether it makes sense to release a hotfix, or whether to work towards a complete SP release instead. Well, I have no experience in software development, and hence PMDG have blatantly refused to invite me as their "guest coder", so I cannot really tell you!    :lol:

 

As it's not show-stopping, and since all of us know nothing about their coding internals, we can talk as much as we like, but it won't change the course of things. They will take care of this stuff in the best possible way, they want to maintain their customer relations, they want to sell even more outstanding products (isn't the T7 an amazing RTM, considering scope, depth, FSX limitations and the like, all in?).

 

Trust them, even Captain Sim released a v1.3 of their T7 when I wasn't expecting it anymore       

 

(There's no other option anyway!   :ph34r: )

Well, Carlos, that's all fine and dandy.... But so far, I don't seem to have found exactly what is so incredibly wrong with the FBW system.

Also, in the official issue tracking thread, the FBW Syetem is still under investigation. This would suggest that it has not been fixed yet.

 

This may be just me, though...

Well, Carlos, that's all fine and dandy.... But so far, I don't seem to have found exactly what is so incredibly wrong with the FBW system.

Also, in the official issue tracking thread, the FBW Syetem is still under investigation. This would suggest that it has not been fixed yet.

 

This may be just me, though...

 

Seems to me that you aren't actually looking for discussion on this topic. Carlos has explained himself very well, and the issue has been discussed at length in this and other threads, by members far more knowledgeable than you or I. If you don't care, don't understand, or can't be bothered to read the other threads that discuss the issue, why insert yourself ?

 

Seems that your true intent is to downplay Carlos' opinion because you don't think it's important. 

 

That may be just me, though...

 

EDIT: Just to add, there are many issues in the tracking thread that I personally couldn't care less about, but I certainly wouldn't jump into conversations about those issues demanding an explanation as to why said issues might be a problem for someone else. That's pretty daft in my honest opinion, especially considering the relatively tame manner in which this particular issue has been discussed.

Not too sound to pessimistic about the whole thing  but is PMDG planning on releasing the 747v2 along with the 777-300er? :rolleyes: I mean might as well since its taking so long for service pack 1.

 

Anthony Slattery

knowledgeable than you or I. If you don't care, don't understand, or can't be bothered to read the other threads that discuss the issue, why insert yourself ?

 

Seems that your true intent is to downplay Carlos' opinion because you don't think it's important. 

 

Thanks Brian.

 

Thomas, I agree with Brian. It seems you haven't read anything about that, but the FBW system issue has been widely discussed by me and other users (including a rw 777 pilot) in well over one hundred posts within at least two different threads. And what's more, in spite of still being asw you say in the issue tracking thread as under investigation, PMDG (Tabs and Robert) have already confirmed that we were right and that the FBW is not working as it should. Besides, (unless it is a dream I had), they have stated in some other post that the FBW system has been completely rewritten for the new SP).

 

So I respectfully think you should bother to research the forum before posting comments like " But so far, I don't seem to have found exactly what is so incredibly wrong with the FBW system.", because what's wrong with it has been very very clearly discussed as I said.

 

Regards.

The plane is very flyable. I have a low end system by some standards in here and get great FPS. Nothing really,really noticable to complain about. With that being said I have another T7 and.... More than a patch will save it. So complain if you want to, I have learned patience is virtue. The only problem with PMDG is that they have some customers that are not very friendly when it comes to asking questions! "I was always told the dumbest question is the one not asked". Yes people might ask the same question more than once ignore them, don't going "struting your stuff"! These guys have put together a masterpiece of an aircraft,that an idiot with a half of a brain can fly,and if the say be patient, the darn it be patient!

I guess we'll have to see, eh :lol:

 

Personally, i think it will feel more modern, airy, more roomy, even perhaps  "smoother" and actually "longer", too. I just get the idea the cockpit will give off a different essence about it, a bit like eating a potato and apple. To the ones pinching their noses, or ones who can't "feel" (or taste) the minorist of differences, they're the same thing. But for someone like me, who can always sense a change, even if just a tiny bit, well then they, to put it in terms of the food, are a World[Liner] (see what i did there :lol: ) apart.

 

Now, to save confusion from a few weeks, no, i am not suggesting you're pinching your nose nor the fact you can't recognise small things blah blah blah etc etc etc

 

 

 

Haha I believe you Andy. I'm sure there will be an aroma about the ER akin to a sexy ladies favourite perfume.

I tell you what though, re the FBW/Trim... If I were a developer, and I'd got the trim so wrong, so badly misinterpreted, I'd be so embarrassed I'd get that fix out faster than a speeding bullet.

 

It's not like a standard bug, a software glitch, we are talking about a total misunderstanding of the way the real aircraft functions in this regard.

 

I should add though, PMDG are just about the best developer out there, and I'm sure they will continue to enthral us with their wares.

As someone who works in IT myself, I would MUCH rather they fixed as many issues as possible and then thoroughly tested and bundled those into a service pack.

 

The amount of unintended issues that can crop up when doing piecemeal updates can drive one insane. Just ask any IT admin about the good old "Windows Update"

 

The FBW trim issue is annoying but does NOT make the plane unflyable. I am actually quite looking forward to being challenged again in my responses to the "fixed" aircraft. I have spent less time hand flying and more time learning systems, procedures and other details, so that when the flight dynamics are spot on, I can take her for a spin manually a lot more. The 77W will be my crown jewel however.

If you look at the issue tracking thread though... the FBW/Trim issue is still in the "under investigation" category. This is despite the fact that other issues seem to have been moved to the "fixed" category. This is somewhat confusing considering we have been told it's fixed.

 

 

No criticism of PMDG hear, I think they are a great developer, I'm just asking simple questions I think a customer should be allowed to ask.

 

So two questions...

 

1. Has the FBW Trim issue been fixed [Despite the fact it's still in the under investigation category]

 

2. Will the FBW/Trim fix be included in the SP1 ER release?

If you look at the issue tracking thread though... the FBW/Trim issue is still in the "under investigation" category. This is despite the fact that other issues seem to have been moved to the "fixed" category. This is somewhat confusing considering we have been told it's fixed.

 

So all I am asking, and I think it's a reasonable question to ask, is if the trim issue has actually been fixed, or if it's causing issues and delaying the release of SP1 and the ER, as the ER requires SP1.

 

No criticism of PMDG hear, I think they are a great developer, I'm just asking a simple question I think a customer should be allowed to ask.

As one of the more serious and complex issues facing the team, I have no doubt it is taking up more of their time and resources than some of the other minor and isolated bugs. The FBW system interacts with many, many components and system on the aircraft, and thus would probably take more work to fix and TEST. Hence seeing it still on the 'under investigation' list does not surprise me. It could very well be the last thing on the list when SP1 is actually complete.

If you look at the issue tracking thread though... the FBW/Trim issue is still in the "under investigation" category. This is despite the fact that other issues seem to have been moved to the "fixed" category. This is somewhat confusing considering we have been told it's fixed.

 

 

No criticism of PMDG hear, I think they are a great developer, I'm just asking simple questions I think a customer should be allowed to ask.

 

So two questions...

 

1. Has the FBW Trim issue been fixed [Despite the fact it's still in the under investigation category]

 

2. Will the FBW/Trim fix be included in the SP1 ER release?

1.) It probably has and is in testing.

 

2.) Yes. They always stated that the -300ER would have SP1 built in, and hence when the -300ER releases, so will SP1 for the 2LR.

 

It would make absolutely no sense to release the -300ER without a fixed flight model. That's not the way PMDG works.. I would be shocked as a customer if they did.

Whether the trim issue is fixed or not, doesn't tell me anything about the release date for SP1 - so what exactly is that question aimed at?

 

I'm really struggling to see the benefit of PMDG answering it ...

As one of the more serious and complex issues facing the team, I have no doubt it is taking up more of their time and resources than some of the other minor and isolated bugs.

 

 

 

You would think so, but Ryan stated a while ago that it was fixed. However, it has remained firmly in the "under investigation" category. Other issues have been moved to the fixed category. Hence my query.

Whether the trim issue is fixed or not, doesn't tell me anything about the release date for SP1 - so what exactly is that question aimed at?

 

I'm really struggling to see the benefit of PMDG answering it ...

 

 

Go back and read the previous page. The discussion has swayed in the direction of the trim issue.

 

There is considerable benefit for me and others in answering it. It's a very important issue for many of us, again see previous page. If it transpires that it's harder to fix than anticipated, and causing a delay, or perhaps it's not going to be included at all in SP1.... then that will be bad news for many of us that regard this issue as serious.

 

Clarification is all that's required.