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Buying PMDG 737 NGX - some questions and concerns

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Hi. Few days ago I asked here a question which was thoroughly answered - I asked about default jets overhauls, so I can get more out of the game, not paying much in the meantime. I own REX, FTX Global, GEX and Accufeel, but now it is time for some real flying. After watching some Youtube vids, I decided, that 737 NGX is my only way to go. This plane looks great, has great physics and is a masterpiece for FSX. 

 

But as a Sim-Pilot not RealWorld-Pilot I am definetly not into reading few hundred pages of manuals. I am a devoted simmer, but not to the point when every time I go to the toilet I take a huge plane manual with me and than I'm not able to walk because of sitting there for 3 hours (plus it is bad for Your health!). 

 

So I found a step by step guide to flying PMDG NGX 737 which is called "PMDG 737 from cold and dark to shutdown checklist" which I downloaded from the library here. This approx. 200 pages document covers whole flight from the beginning, till the end, including programming FMC. 

 

So my first question is: did anyone actually read it and will it be enough to get lot of fun out of this plane? My experience in FSX jets is limited to 737-800. I can use every function of it, I learned full checklist (although many things cannot be done because FSX default doesn't emulate them), but I am totally new to FMC. 

 

I have also more questions regarding this plane before I will put my 70 bucks order:

 

1. I don't have money for external flight planner. I fly mostly in Europe region. How can I create a flight plan in PMDG format?

2. I don't want to use SIDs & STARs because as far as I know default ATC doesn't recognize them (and I want to stay with default ATC, please don't ask why - just want and this is it). Am I able to use FSX internal flight planner or REX flight planner (the essentials plus version features real world flight plans) and fly the approach according to FSX ATC guidance? What I mean is - will the plane fly FMC flight plan which doesn't have SID/STAR? In default FSX I fly with GPS to last VOR, than I let ATC to be guided to the runway, than I use ILS and when I see the airport and I am approaching decision height, I switch off Auto PIlot and use PAPI lights to land - can I do this in PMDG?

3. Is the PMDG compatible with Saitek Pro Flight Yoke System and Multipanel from Saitek (will be shipped in few days... :) )

4. If I will go through the complete checklist mentioned above (from cold and dark...) will I be able to make any flight I want in the FSX? 

5. Is FMC very hard to learn? I don't want to use it very deeply. Just need to put my flight plan there, put fuel and passengers in plane and make it fly. I want to do approach from decision height manually. I don't want the plane to land itself. I also want to be able to fly approach manually if ATC will guide me to different runway or use something like heading knobs/height knobs/speed knobs just as in default plane (Saitek Multipanel is featuring those and I want to be able to use them)?

6. Are there any other things which I should concern? 

 

My rig: i5 3570K OC'd to 4,6 GHz, GTX 660Ti Oc'd to 1280/7000 MHz, 2x4GB COrsair Vengeance DDR3 RAM

 

Thank You in advance, sorry for any mistakes (not my native language), sorry for any non-proffesional flight terms (if I used any) - I started with FSX month ago but it dragged me in. Really. :)

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Hi if you do happen to purchase  the ngx  it  comes  with 2  tutorials flights  that will explain most of  your  questions,  in regards to programing the fmc  once you done the tutorial flights it will become  second  nature  to you quite  easy once  you done  a few flights.

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Thanks, but I need answers before I will buy it, this is quite a lot money for me, especially that I already spend 300 bucks for mods and hardware.

 

If ATC doesn't support Sid/star is there a point in using fmc?

 

I'm wondering if this plane is for me. I like ATC and don't wont to throw it away but I guess PMDG is not the plane which loads Your fsx flight plan to gps and flies it when ATC gives You clearance to rely on Your nav

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1. I don't have money for external flight planner. I fly mostly in Europe region. How can I create a flight plan in PMDG format?

Vroute to make your route and the NGX' own FMC to enter and save it.

 

 

 

 What I mean is - will the plane fly FMC flight plan which doesn't have SID/STAR? In default FSX I fly with GPS to last VOR, than I let ATC to be guided to the runway, than I use ILS and when I see the airport and I am approaching decision height, I switch off Auto PIlot and use PAPI lights to land - can I do this in PMDG?

Yes

 

 

 

Is the PMDG compatible with Saitek Pro Flight Yoke System and Multipanel from Saitek (will be shipped in few days... :) )

Yes. Make sure you install the Saitek drivers properly and get hold of FSUIPC. It will help.

 

 

 

If I will go through the complete checklist mentioned above (from cold and dark...) will I be able to make any flight I want in the FSX?

? Don't really understand the question, but I think the answer is yes! :)

 

 

 

Is FMC very hard to learn?

No. It's like a big calculator :smile:

 

 

Are there any other things which I should concern?

Watch the tutorial videos by Ryan and Kyle over in the NGX forum and have fun. She's a lovey bird. Only two jets I fly are from PMDG. They rule.

 

best

 

jake

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I'd suggest you do a search under things like "PMDG NGX FMC" and such likes;  there are probably more threads and posts about the PMDG NGX on AVSIM than about any other subject.  :wink:

 

I posted about a month ago with a full method of creating flight plans and getting them into the PMDG format, and into the FMC so that they are immediately retrievable.    

 

Here it is :-

 

http://forum.avsim.net/topic/422660-did-you-know-loading-fps-into-the-pmdg-fmcs/?hl=%2Bflight+%2Bplans+%2Bpmdg+%2Bformat#entry2815965

 

Yes of course there is a reason to use the FMC other than SIDs and STARs;  your whole flight plan itself needs to be programmed into the FMC, otherwise your shiny new NGX won't know where to fly. :smile:

 

But you can certainly still use the default FSX Planner if you prefer;   just create a flight plan in the normal way, then open the FSX Kneeboard and press the flight plan button;   now just enter the waypoints of your FSX flight plan straight into the NGX's FMC.

 

To be honest, I am not convinced the PMDG NGX is the right plane for you, based on what you've said.   It really is a study sim.        Something like the QualityWings 146 collection may be better as a first complex jet for you.

 

But if you do choose the NGX you'll have no trouble with it - it's not inherently difficult - it just does take some studying and commitment.

 

Cheers.

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It really is a study sim.

 

I totally agree with this, but you can fly it quickly if you are prepared to put in a tiny bit of work watching and reading the first and second tutorials..Its within most intelligent ppls grasp imo. My ten-year old son can start from C&D and fly a route now (proud dad :wink:)

 

best

 

jake

 

EDIT: I just got in trouble; he's 11 now :blush: I don't spend too much time simming, honest!

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So lets try and put your mind to rest over SIDs STARS and FMC.

 

First of all you are contemplating buying a fly by wire major aircraft.  So you will have to get into the dialog and understanding that it is not a GA type aircraft.  By not being a GA aircraft it has to be flown using a computer, that is the FMC or to be correct the CDU.  Being a large type of aircraft you do not use it on willy-nilly type flying, so set procedures are used in the real world that this model is simulated to.  So that is why SIDs and STARS are used in the training of using it.

 

Although it can be flown by hand control without using the CDU, you will be then wasting money on it's purchase and may as well stick with the bog standard FSX version.

 

So if you are serious about the PMDG 737 then you will have to accept the idea that this is a major learning curve to be able to understand it's use.  I have been learning it and still am for over a year, that is why real world pilots have a vigorous training schedule that us FSXer's will never achieve too, but we can still come close to a real world type aircraft experience.

 

The PMDG 737NGX is a major step in FSX aircraft simulation and will allow us FSXer's to gain a better enjoyment in FSX.  So really SIDs STARS and the rest are essential to the 737NGX type of FSXing.

 

I hope this will help you decide one way or the other, but at the end of the day the decision is yours.  If you do; then I recommend Captain Mike Ray Tutorial for an enjoyable leaning phase..

 

Oh! and I am just loving it..  :smile2:

 

James

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I agree with James, but would say again that I don't think the learning curve to get the plane in the air and fly a simple route is that steep. Or Tabs wouldn't have been able to put it all so succinctly into a PDF and video.

 

Also, in Air Hauler, I often fly the 738 into small(ish) fields which don't have proper SID/STAR or just don't need them.

 

Also, don't forget, SID/STAR is only a way of getting you onto your route. if you don't fly VATSIM and want to just fly from place to place, it's just as easy once you know how to work your route into FSX so the default ATC can direct you. It's not the way I fly, as I don't even use ATC but it's certainly doable. It's not mandatory, either to use SID/STAR. You will do once you have mastered the basics though, I expect.

 

That's why I love the NGX so much; once you've picked up how to start and fly a route you just improve over time. Nobody is suggesting we all become or are anywhere near a par with RW pilots, but as you say James, it gives FSX'ers a chance to get in the seat of a truly cool plane, and to a certain extent, you can do it even if you have never done it before. I did. I never flew tubes before I got NGX and within a week I was all over the shop in it :wink:

 

buy it :)

 

jake

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The PMDG 737NGX comes with a detailed tutorial. That's the only way I learned to fly the larger aircraft. It gives you step-by-step instructions for programming the FMC. Yes, the manuals are a bit daunting but then you would have individuals complaining if PMDG failed to include information. IMHO, reading the manuals PMDG provided with their product is not possible. But, if you are having issues in one area, say the FMC, just read that section. Do not try to change any of the default settings such as fuel and passengers. That will bring down your aircraft fast if you do not configure it correctly. Programming the FMC is extremely easy once you get it figured out. I learned by doing what Dave (Q_Flyer) suggested. I searched the Internet for things I wanted to learn more about. As others have suggested, there are a lot of video tutorials on almost every facet of flying PMDG products.

 

Best regards,

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Programming an FMC may seem daunting, but it's actually pretty simple once you've done it a few times.

If you don't want to use SID/STAR, no big deal, but try it anyways. You may enjoy the added realism it provides.

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Ok, now I see bigger picture here. To be honest Sid/stars are not a big issue although I like ATC commands and stuff.

 

I'm a bit afraid that fly by wire plane may not be the best for me because it's less flying more programming which is not quite what I am looking for.

 

On the other hand this plane looks beautiful and it's physics seem to be great.

 

Is there something in the middle between default and fully realistic PMDG? Ifly maybe? I will probably end buying it anyways but Im not sure if it's not too soon for me.

 

I would also like to say thanks to all authors and that You devoted Your time to reply. I'm not afraid of learning - I'm afraid that in real world plane has more than 1 pilot and sometimes it will be more work on the systems than feeling I fly it.

 

What about iFly or Airbus extended X than? Will they be better? I know I should start with a smaller plane (common sense) but I am really not into it and don't want to force myself to fly different plane than jets.

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iFly NG is a nice plane. You're still going to be programming the FMC though, just as you'll be programming the FMGC in the Airbus. These are automated aircraft (especially Airbus) and that's something you'll get used to. There's nothing stopping you flying good old style navigation though if you really want, but you'd be wasting a lot of the aircraft.

 

I'd personally recommend taking the plunge to a more advanced aircraft, I don't think you'd regret once you get your head into operating them.

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As a taster of getting into the more larger aircraft, as some one (Q_flyer) suggested earlier why not just invest in say the Quality Wings BA 146/RJ.  That would make a good entry level for you and ease you more into larger type aircraft.

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And what about quality wings 757 or Dreamliner?

 

They look quite neat too - will they be a good stage before PMDG?

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You can fly it anyway you want, even as a VFR bush plane. But it really comes down to this: are you really going to use it to its full extents to be worth the price? If you intent to not use many of its features, then maybe it won't be worth it?

 

I think iFly is a great alternative to PMDG, and in this case might suit you well.

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With respect to ATC when I fly any of our airplanes I effectively just act as my own ATC in my head. Pretend like the radio doesn't work and just fly the IFR flightplan the way it's published in the charts and then "vector yourself" onto the approach if necessary at the end. FSX ATC is really unrealistic and it's not going to behave well with any realistic addon unless you do things like only use it for the enroute portion. (pick up IFR clearance in the air, cancel it before descent etc)

 

Other options if you really want ATC:

 

1. Fly on VATSIM or IVAO - this is obviously the most realistic thing assuming there's coverage.

 

2. Buy an ATC addon like RadarContact - it won't perfectly give you the SID/STAR clearances but it allows you to fly them without screwing up the overall flow of the ATC.

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Yes. Make sure you install the Saitek drivers properly and get hold of FSUIPC. It will help.

 

I know a bit off topic but what does installing the drivers do? I have the same yoke and just plugged it in and have used it without installing anything.

 

 


2. Buy an ATC addon like RadarContact - it won't perfectly give you the SID/STAR clearances but it allows you to fly them without screwing up the overall flow of the ATC.

 

This really helped me with the flying the PMDG 737. That program really adds something to the flying experience except sometimes it has you descend before your FMC TOD and will vector you in for your approach. You can though basically ignore RC4 and fly the whole ILS approach or whatever approach you want if RC4 doesn't offer you the entire approach as a option which it sometimes does. 

 

I will also add if you get a program called FS2crew to work with the PMDG you really don't need to do anything except configure the FMC which is not hard at all and go fly. 

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And this is it - "configure FMC and go fly" - I am not about this. Totally. I want to say - THANK YOU all ppl here because I would just waste my money with this addon - that is not what I am looking for. 

 

Actually, thanks to posting about Qualitywings - I found my way. Half-simulated systems, good flight simulation and nice model + much cheaper. First I will go with 757. 

 

So now a new question is coming - are there any other companies which makes planes similar to QualityWings so nice looks and half-simulation approach with simplified FMC? 

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Actually, thanks to posting about Qualitywings - I found my way. Half-simulated systems, good flight simulation and nice model + much cheaper. First I will go with 757.

 

Based on what you are looking for, the QW 757 is going to fit your needs perfectly, especially being able to create a FP in FSX then load it directly into the FMC. I have almost all airliners from other developers and the QW 757 is hands down my favorite.

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@PIC007 yes, that is my way to go :) I love FSX for being so able to fit our needs. 

 

G_Precentralis - Do You mean Airbus X Extended? As far as I saw this is higly complex aircraft. Is there any other Airbus X? Can You provide a link? 

 

For now I downloaded freeware Project Airbus A320 - seems to look cool. 

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Yes, Airbus X Extended - it looks good, flies good, have simplified FMC. FSLabs Airbus will be a higly complex aircraft, Airbus X Extended is not.

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The Airbus X Extended really doesn't have a "simplified FMC" in the way that the likes of the QualitySim has........ The Airbus X Extended has a "partially implemented" (about 75%) version of the actual FMC and that's quite different to a simplified FMC.

 

I think, from what you're saying about your preferences, the QualityWings 757 is a good choice for you.   You can't for example, load a FSX flight plan into the Airbux X Extended, it's a far more complex simulation than that level.

 

The QW757 is a good choice, but the reason I suggested the QW146 Collection instead is because it is 3 years newer than the 757, so has better visuals, sounds and systems in some areas.  Eg.. it's just a more modern product.   But the QW757 is still enjoyed by a lot of people too.

 

Have fun!

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Hi. Few days ago I asked here a question which was thoroughly answered - I asked about default jets overhauls, so I can get more out of the game, not paying much in the meantime. I own REX, FTX Global, GEX and Accufeel, but now it is time for some real flying. After watching some Youtube vids, I decided, that 737 NGX is my only way to go. This plane looks great, has great physics and is a masterpiece for FSX. 

 

But as a Sim-Pilot not RealWorld-Pilot I am definetly not into reading few hundred pages of manuals. I am a devoted simmer, but not to the point when every time I go to the toilet I take a huge plane manual with me and than I'm not able to walk because of sitting there for 3 hours (plus it is bad for Your health!). 

 

So I found a step by step guide to flying PMDG NGX 737 which is called "PMDG 737 from cold and dark to shutdown checklist" which I downloaded from the library here. This approx. 200 pages document covers whole flight from the beginning, till the end, including programming FMC. 

 

So my first question is: did anyone actually read it and will it be enough to get lot of fun out of this plane? My experience in FSX jets is limited to 737-800. I can use every function of it, I learned full checklist (although many things cannot be done because FSX default doesn't emulate them), but I am totally new to FMC. 

 

I have also more questions regarding this plane before I will put my 70 bucks order:

 

1. I don't have money for external flight planner. I fly mostly in Europe region. How can I create a flight plan in PMDG format?

2. I don't want to use SIDs & STARs because as far as I know default ATC doesn't recognize them (and I want to stay with default ATC, please don't ask why - just want and this is it). Am I able to use FSX internal flight planner or REX flight planner (the essentials plus version features real world flight plans) and fly the approach according to FSX ATC guidance? What I mean is - will the plane fly FMC flight plan which doesn't have SID/STAR? In default FSX I fly with GPS to last VOR, than I let ATC to be guided to the runway, than I use ILS and when I see the airport and I am approaching decision height, I switch off Auto PIlot and use PAPI lights to land - can I do this in PMDG?

3. Is the PMDG compatible with Saitek Pro Flight Yoke System and Multipanel from Saitek (will be shipped in few days... :) )

4. If I will go through the complete checklist mentioned above (from cold and dark...) will I be able to make any flight I want in the FSX? 

5. Is FMC very hard to learn? I don't want to use it very deeply. Just need to put my flight plan there, put fuel and passengers in plane and make it fly. I want to do approach from decision height manually. I don't want the plane to land itself. I also want to be able to fly approach manually if ATC will guide me to different runway or use something like heading knobs/height knobs/speed knobs just as in default plane (Saitek Multipanel is featuring those and I want to be able to use them)?

6. Are there any other things which I should concern? 

 

My rig: i5 3570K OC'd to 4,6 GHz, GTX 660Ti Oc'd to 1280/7000 MHz, 2x4GB COrsair Vengeance DDR3 RAM

 

Thank You in advance, sorry for any mistakes (not my native language), sorry for any non-proffesional flight terms (if I used any) - I started with FSX month ago but it dragged me in. Really. :)

Watch a master in action here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVoQshqTOPw&list=PLA3E3C4B1DBD8254E  This guy leaves no stone unturned and will explain everything for you. Best to add it to your favourites as there's a lot there. ;)

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My rig: i5 3570K OC'd to 4,6 GHz, GTX 660Ti Oc'd to 1280/7000 MHz, 2x4GB COrsair Vengeance DDR3 RAM

 

Thank You in advance, sorry for any mistakes (not my native language), sorry for any non-proffesional flight terms (if I used any) - I started with FSX month ago but it dragged me in. Really. :)

To be honest, I think you are doing yourself a disservice if you do not purchase the NGX,

Especially given the system you have and add ons! You could run it no problem! I just wish I had your system when I got the NGX a year ago, and had to finally buy a better computer.

 

The NGX is the GOLD Standard for a fully simulated passenger jet right now!

(Not that others are not better or worse, but the NGX is what we compare everything to)

 

The first tutorial will get you up and running, that is what it was designed to do.

SIDs and Stars are not that big of a deal. I would suggest Vroute premium as a cost effective way to determine which SIDS or STaRs to use during a route.

You can also do an instrument approach to! But you will need to find a lot of these charts which can be found for free.

 

Just get it!

 

If you really don't want to spend the money, you can get the Airbus Extended for a complicated jet, (can be found on sale now for $31). And while i think the Airbus Extended is awesome, i still think everyone should own the NGX. Also, the NGX tutorial does a better job of teaching about SIDS and STARs. The NGX can also be very easy to land using the auto throttle and the HUD too.

 

B.

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