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SP1 Beta Preview - Weather Radar into ATL

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So, I know a bunch of you have been looking for an update on the progress of SP1.  While this isn't an official update, and more work is still being done (as I say in my videos whenever I'm using a beta version: "this is BETA SOFTWARE - it may or may not represent the final version"), I figured some of you might appreciate seeing a few more pictures.  To that end, there is still work being done on the weather radar to tweak it to look more representative of what crews would see, so if it doesn't look quite "perfect" yet don't get your knickers in a twist  :wink:

 

Disclaimer: I ran these through a batch Photoshop conversion to get them from BMP to JPG so it wouldn't murder slower connections (despite it being 2014, people still use dial-up - AOL still exists down the street from my house in a still relatively nice building, so it's a testament to that fact...plus, phones not on wireless don't handle those things very well either).  As such, the image quality in coloration and sharpness is slightly compromised.  Get over it.

 

This morning, when I was doing a flight from LAX to ATL to test the latest build, I was watching a line of storms approach the airport from very early in the flight.  As I got closer, I noticed that the storms would directly conflict with my flight path.  That in mind, I broke off of my flight planned route to thread the needle between two cells:

 

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In the turn, I realized that I'd ended up boxing myself in on three sides, so I made a 180 to hold away from the storm's direction.  In maneuvering for the hold, though, I noticed that the clusters over the airport had moved beyond the airport, so I upselected the Runway 9R ILS approach and headed back towards ATL (the shortcut put me a little high, but that's nothing a little drag can't fix):

 

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Once I'd coerced the plane down using a little speedbrake, along with tactical gear and flap deployment, I was nicely set up to follow the ILS to get closer to the airport in the haze.  The traffic target you see actually cut in front of me, so I actually stepped over to 9L visually, in an effort to not go around and deal with the stuff you can clearly see on the far side of the airport.  Quite the lovely tactical aid:

 

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I know a few of you probably think I'm enjoying torturing you with pictures and videos of this thing, but I think we're all excited to get this into your hands.  If nobody else is, I am, if only because I just spent a few hours getting my hat back into the virtual ATC realm (shoutout to Jimmy Reistad, who I pestered a bit after departing IAD).  Having people requesting non-standard stuff like weather deviations really breaks the monotony of controlling, and I think this will greatly add to that ability.  I have a feeling a lot of the controllers out there would agree with me.

 

Once all of the polishing is done on this (and various other items), I think you all are really going to fall in love with the plane all over again.  Even if you love it already, you're going to love it even more.

 

[GEORGE ZIMMER] I guarantee it! [/GEORGE ZIMMER]

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Great update, thanks for taking the time to post it :wub:

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Nice looking screenshots and thanks for the update!

And nice disclaimer BTW... dial up, AOL...

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Hnnnnngggggg...

 

I love how this will break the monotony of cruise as well!

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Thanks for the little update :) Just out of interest how is performance with both the weather radar and terrain display on?

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Thanks for the pics.  I've been on FSX burnout for a few months, but oddly enough, you flew a route I have picked out as a great way to re-acclimate myself in the 777 when SP2 arrives!   And of course, I like the LAX-ATL route because Delta flys it with an -LR, I'm obsessed with flying real routes with the LR (or 300ER if applicable) as you are.

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At this rate.....Its no longer "and the work goes on"...It should be "any work going on at all???".... Are they aiming for the 1st anniversary of the B777X release before SP1 is released?

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Are they aiming for the 1st anniversary of the B777X release before SP1 is released?

 

 

Ladies and gentlemen we could have a winner!  Just 3 months away from that date now Darren....hard to believe it.

 

Great work Kyle, appreciate the update.

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Thanks for the update and a little narrative of what was happening. Very nice.

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Disclaimer: I ran these through a batch Photoshop conversion to get them from BMP to JPG so it wouldn't murder slower connections (despite it being 2014, people still use dial-up - AOL still exists down the street from my house in a still relatively nice building

 

Lol

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You're welcome guys...well...most of you anyway.

 

 

 


Just out of interest how is performance with both the weather radar and terrain display on?

 

This has been answered several times, but the impact is negligible on my machine.  Specs in my profile (there's a link under my avatar).

 

 

At this rate.....Its no longer "and the work goes on"...It should be "any work going on at all???".... Are they aiming for the 1st anniversary of the B777X release before SP1 is released?

 

I promised myself that I wouldn't respond to you if you posted, but what you said is so incredibly insensitive and downright ignorant that I felt that you needed to be called out.

 

Just because it doesn't come across as abundantly clear that work is actually happening doesn't mean work isn't happening.  This isn't the constructions industry that you seemingly drop into every conversation.  This is coding.  You can't look at it like you can look at construction and see progress being made.  And, sadly, people can work for hours and days on end, and not a single piece of the result is visible.  In fact, when it comes to certain code aspects, it should be completely transparent so the end user hasn't a clue in the slightest that it's working in the background.  Sometimes, that takes weeks to perfect, and I'm speaking from experience.  Not even a week ago, I went in and fixed a bunch of code in the GUI that interacts with a database and had the client ask "you worked on this for a week and nothing changed?"  I then asked if he saw any of the old error messages, and the empty records in the data and then it clicked.  Sometimes it's the fact that you can't see the code or bad results from it that tells you that work has been done.

 

I'm not going to stand here, half way around the world and disparage your work because I can't see it.  I know your projects act differently, and I know it's clearly not meeting your schedule, but life is about more than just you, and the project here isn't the industry you're used to.  This is a different ballgame.  I'm not going to go to a cricket game and complain that it's not like football, or following the rules thereof.

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Thank you for your long and nice answer. So where are we now on the SP1?

 

 

Was bombarded with "target dates" which PMDG doesn't seem to have and I told them "it will be ready once its ready" taking a page out of the standard PMDG answers here on the forum. No guesses of what their reply was. So without any target dates, PMDG`s SP1 release might well be at the 1st anniversary or even later at the rate things are going. I told my boss I will finish by September this year and he told me July. So I told him it will be ready when its ready and I had a 2 hours lecture from him.

 

I think that it is the lack of transparency and targets to be set by PMDG that is frustrating not just me but many on the forum. I guess I am just more vocal than most as I have tried some of the tactics employed by PMDG in real life and was told off for it.

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Frankly...If the way you act in real life resembles the way you act here, you should be told off for it.

What part of Kyle's explanation don't you understand, exactly?

 

PMDG doesn't owe you, or me, or anyone, a target date. What they do "owe" us, is a Service Pack. That SP will be released when it's ready, not sooner not later.

Just because you're vocal, doesn't make you right.

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Thanks for the pics Kyle. Greatly Appreciated

 

 

A request IF possible. I've been wondering on how the WXR depicts light precip. As in large areas with light rain/overcast.

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shoutout to Jimmy Reistad, who I pestered a bit after departing IAD
Whoo hoo! I made the cut.  :lol:  I cant wait for this bird. Thanks for the update Kyle!

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but except for one person.

 

Any hints Ollie :rolleyes:

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Thank you for your long and nice answer. So where are we now on the SP1?

 

 

Was bombarded with "target dates" which PMDG doesn't seem to have and I told them "it will be ready once its ready" taking a page out of the standard PMDG answers here on the forum. No guesses of what their reply was. So without any target dates, PMDG`s SP1 release might well be at the 1st anniversary or even later at the rate things are going. I told my boss I will finish by September this year and he told me July. So I told him it will be ready when its ready and I had a 2 hours lecture from him.

 

I think that it is the lack of transparency and targets to be set by PMDG that is frustrating not just me but many on the forum. I guess I am just more vocal than most as I have tried some of the tactics employed by PMDG in real life and was told off for it.

 

There is no "target date" - it's done when it's done. That is the honest truth. I'm being as "transparent" as I possibly can here - if we and our test teams were happy with it you'd have had it earlier. We are not happy with it yet.

 

One of the major things that we're doing right now is rewriting our autopilot code to better handle heavy turbulence since we assume everyone's going to go intentionally fly into it now that they have a radar with which to find it reliably. This is not easy - FSX's turbulence model does not match what real world turbulence looks like on a graph and we're having to do some very difficult mathematical tricks to try and filter the garbage out and make the AFDS hold path despite being knocked around by 2+G accelerations 10+ times per second.

 

The biggest complaint here post-release has been the FBW system inaccuracies - that's been completely redesigned and rebuilt from the ground up and behaves as close to the real thing as it possibly can in the FSX environment now. Again, this was not easy - we could have "faked" this, but we've instead gone to the trouble of essentially writing our own virtual flight model and control laws on top of FSX, which is exactly how the C*U control law algorithm in the real airplane works. It's a system that simulates the characteristics of a normal mechanically linked aircraft on top of an Airbus-style FBW system on top of FSX's normal flight modelling. Not easy to do in the slightest - it took months of work to get this right and it's still being tweaked right now. We've added a whole bunch of "assists" for the desktop sim environment with this system too including an option that displays the current trim reference speed on the PFD speed tape to help visualize what the system is doing, and options to control FBW sensitivity, control force loading (you feel the elevator get less effective as you get out of trim) and deadzone to account for differences in range and force preset in different user hardware etc. This is a serious overhaul - we didn't just pay lip service to the idea that there was a problem here in the original release.

 

Add to that the creation of the wx radar, the modelling of the company datalink and the huge list of smaller improvements and bug fixes and you have your explanation as to why it's taken "so long." This is a bigger update than all of the NGX updates we released combined in the year after that product released. I realize having to wait so long sucks, but we wanted to make this good - you're not getting some minor update here where you won't see any difference vs. the original release.

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Looking good!  That weather radar is wicked!  I was using the ASN map to thread around some weather on approach to VHHH a few days ago and got my first  "BOOO-BEEP "WINDSHEAR WINDSHEAR".... Oh, man... that made the whole flight for me right there! Honestly, I think I welled a tear. :)

 

Exciting times (and weather) ahead! Thanks for the update!

 

Cheers!

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Add to that the creation of the wx radar, the modelling of the company datalink and the huge list of smaller improvements and bug fixes and you have your explanation as to why it's taken "so long."

 

Will we be able to pull ATIS information from the datalink?

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This looks great but even the little things count. Can you put the selcal in the registration card of the virtual cockpit for all the default repaints?

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