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Carenado H850XP will have navigraph

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Announcement was made a little while ago on Facebook. I'm on my phone so I can't grab a screenshot, but someone else can grab one.

 

Guys, this may be the one we've been waiting for, but we shall see what they deliver.

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Holy Schnikes!!!

 

Never saw that coming!

 

Freeking wonderful!

 

Lets not get too excited. They may sill not make a decent implementation of the PL-21. Hope they prove me wrong.....

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Lets not get too excited. They may sill not make a decent implementation of the PL-21. Hope they prove me wrong...

I think they've finally realized they need to pick it up or they'll be left in the dust with their already solid rep as a group that sells textures and models first with systems as a second priority. I think there are two outcomes...

 

1) They release an acceptable simulation of the PL-21 system. I don't really know exactly what that entails as I'm not familiar with those avionics, but it'd get hyped as the first high-ish systems fidelity biz jet we've had in a while. Carenado sells a bunch of copies and rakes in the cash.

OR

2)They half-&@($* the product, all the while delaying it to customers. People buy it anyway, but end up wanting more. Those who wait for the F1 installer might return it with a lasting bitter taste in their mouths as once again Carenado doesn't deliver the whole thing.

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Well, I for one won't be negative about such little news. I do know that I can be happy. This is a step in the correct direction for them and I think they will be able to pull it off. Sure it may not have the depth of anything PMDG or Aerosoft, but this will be one of the most advanced, and you already know beautiful Bizjets to be out that is current.

 

I am still following EagleSoft and hope they make an announcement soon also, but I think this will be a good one. These are one of my favorite jets, so it will be a day one purchase for me at least.

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I'm excited - bizjet with navigraph ... We don't have many of those (at least up to date)

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Good news, but they first must conquer their misunderstanding of, and the implementation of, Autopilot FLC key function. "Within the limitations of FSX".. :lol:

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Hearing that they delayed a project to add features is encouraging, and navigraph implementation is a definite step in the right direction. I would like to see them work on systems that make good use of navigraph and better flight dynamics next.

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I for one am impressed with Carenado, over the last 2 years they have grown as a company, their earlier products even had lasck luster FDE's, since then they have improved visual quality, FDE's and now systems. If they improve their systems simulation (I am not expecting PMDG, more like QualityWings) and then they work with say Turbine Sound Studios for their sounds, then we would be talking about a whole new kind of Carenado. That being said I was going to buy the H850XPR anyway, this is just more of a reason for me to throw money at the screen!

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I go to the unofficial Carenado forums after each release and see long lists of bugs that they never fix. They are becoming more like Captain Sim after each release.

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I'll be honest, my first response was 'Wait, it's not April 1st...'. ^_^

 

Regardless, we'd be remiss to not encourage this.  It's a great step forward.  If it's done well, I'll purchase for sure.

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I am still following EagleSoft and hope they make an announcement soon also, but I think this will be a good one. These are one of my favorite jets, so it will be a day one purchase for me at least.

Screenshots of the WIP VC renders and additional shots of the external model were posted on the ESDG forums a few weeks ago, just FYI. Now, back to our topic at hand...

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It's nice that Carenado have listened to their Phenom customers and I'm sure the enhanced avionics (if well implemented) will really boost sales. Right now the only business jets with decent systems and FMS are Eaglesoft's Citation X v2 and CJ1.

 

Good news, but they first must conquer their misunderstanding of, and the implementation of, Autopilot FLC key function. "Within the limitations of FSX".. :lol:

I'm not exactly brimming with confident optimism for that reason. I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised but I can't help but expect another half-arsed job. Perhaps they'll bring in someone who's experienced in such matters to assist them?

 

...1) They release an acceptable simulation of the PL-21 system... it'd get hyped as the first high-ish systems fidelity biz jet we've had in a while. Carenado sells a bunch of copies and rakes in the cash.

OR

2)They half-&@($* the product, all the while delaying it to customers. People buy it anyway, but end up wanting more. Those who wait for the F1 installer might return it with a lasting bitter taste in their mouths as once again Carenado doesn't deliver the whole thing.

I fully agree, I hope for the first outcome but I expect the second. I really want to be proved wrong and amazed, but I've been disappointed too many times in this hobby.

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If I remember hearing correctly, Carenado recently hired on some new coders, I am not sure from where or how experienced they are, but this could be a reason why they are going for a more advanced flight systems model. Carenado & Alabeo have grown a lot over the past 2 years, in product sales and in man power, their whole "3D knobs" technology was brought in by a new team member that was hired on about 1 year ago.

I want to emphasize that I have no evidence to back this up, no official postings, none of that, its all rumor & speculation. That being said, the rumor does add up at least in a logical sense.

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While I'd prefer a PMDG bizjet style setup I'd be happy with QW style and level of systems from Carenado.

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While I'd prefer a PMDG bizjet style setup I'd be happy with QW style and level of systems from Carenado.

 

The only way your can put Carenado and PMDG in the same sentence and expect something is visuals. Carenado's goal has never been high fidelity systems, now QualityWings style avionics IS doable by the Carenado team, their goal is to develop popular aircraft with moderate level simulated avionics, and FDE.

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The only way your can put Carenado and PMDG in the same sentence and expect something is visuals. Carenado's goal has never been high fidelity systems, now QualityWings style avionics IS doable by the Carenado team, their goal is to develop popular aircraft with moderate level simulated avionics, and FDE.

 

If the Hawker has QW Avro/RJ type level's of systems simulations and the FDE is reasonable, I'll hand them my credit card.

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The Navigraph support is a step in hte right direction, but Carenado's shortfalls at present aren't unfortunately limited to updateable nav data.   What we also need for example, is proper custom autopilots, with things like FLC / IAS Hold mode (and not via the autothrottle!).

Every H850XP on the planet has a working IAS (speed held, by pitch) mode, as does every PC12   - but will we still get a poor deal in this regard from Carenado?     (Like those dreaded autothrottle fudges, to hold speed, that we saw on the SR22  - an autothrottle on a piston single :rolleyes: ).

 

If they can provide Navigraph support and add some custom gauges and functions, then they are indeed moving in the right direction.

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With Navigraph and Pro Line 21  ...... sounds good to me.

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If I remember hearing correctly, Carenado recently hired on some new coders, I am not sure from where or how experienced they are, but this could be a reason why they are going for a more advanced flight systems model.

Thanks, that's nice to know and reassures me a little.

 

If the Hawker has QW Avro/RJ type level's of systems simulations and the FDE is reasonable, I'll hand them my credit card.

Ditto! Having said that, I bought the QW Avro RJ on release and returned it because there were some compromises or mistakes that were just a bit too far for me (like the VNAV not recalculating properly and the hydraulic system still functioning when the pumps were off)!

 

... What we also need for example, is proper custom autopilots, with things like FLC / IAS Hold mode

Yeah, I would hope if they're going to the trouble to implement Navigraph AIRAC support they'd code a proper FLC and IAS hold through pitch too. Essentially Carenado needs to up their game on avionics and systems in general, not just FMS/Nav.

 

Ultimately the proof of the pudding shall be in the eating, I really hope I won't be sending it back to the kitchen. Perhaps we should send Gordon Ramsey to see them? :lol: Having said that he's probably needed more at Captain Sim :ph34r:

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I've always sort of kept my distance from Carenado but this announcement from them is leading me to think they are going in a far more professional direction geared towards the kind of people who relish a good system simulation as much as the visual perfection.

If they do model proper systems with Navigraph support then I see no reason not to purchase their products. 

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If they have a working FMC /navigraph then this may be a must purchase for me!

Should work in FSX and P3d, and a good bizjet is missing in my hanger !

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