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Now this....this really ###### me off:

 

This guy here publicly admits that he has a pirated copy of the PMDG 777:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGpD6L44nMg

 

 

Have a look at the comments section. I am virtual_aviator

 

 

And just in case this moron grows a brain and removes the posts...here a print-screen:

 

PMDG777Pirated_zpsbb4b5cb9.png

 

 

Usually I do not use such foul language in the forums, so please excuse my "######-off-ness".

 

Best regards,

Rene

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Technically, he does not admit anything.

 

Also the PFD indication was something that several people reported, because of a stuck TCAS or something.

 

Of course it COULD be pirated, but it's not conclusive evidence IMHO.

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Technically, he does not admit anything.

 

Also the PFD indication was something that several people reported, because of a stuck TCAS or something.

 

Of course it COULD be pirated, but it's not conclusive evidence IMHO.

well chk his further reply that he just made, by going to the youtube website...that is evidence enough!

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Copyright protection seems to work here. I doubt it's fun to be flying around with a non-functional PFD. What's your concern?

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Copyright protection seems to work here. I doubt it's fun to be flying around with a non-functional PFD. What's your concern?

No concern personally as I am not PMDG. I just feel this guy should be contacted by PMDG. What he is doing is, in its simplest form - fraud.

ohhh and not only is be using a pirated copy of the 777, but also the 737. I wonder what else he has in his hanger.

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The most that can happen is youtube will remove the video if they are contacted by PMDG directly and informed its an illegal version of their proprietary software. I know the OP intentions were honest but your only generating views on the offenders channel which is counter productive.

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I'm really not sure what you're hoping to achieve by pointing this out. Piracy is EVERYWHERE. There is nothing you, or PMDG can do except their best to make their products difficult to crack (I've heard the 777 was notoriously difficult for the pirating community compared to their previous products, so good progress). 

 

Regardless, people will always find a way. What difference does it make pointing this guy out, besides his stupidity for making his actions obvious? The most he'll get is his channel removed. What about the millions of other people who will continue unhindered?

 

It's a losing battle and I'm sure PMDG don't have the money or the time to persue it much like every other company. Drawing attention to it only worsens the problem. 

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you only creating publicity for them!

Couldn't agree more! 

 

I'm really not sure what you're hoping to achieve by pointing this out. Piracy is EVERYWHERE. There is nothing you, or PMDG can do except their best to make their products difficult to crack (I've heard the 777 was notoriously difficult for the pirating community compared to their previous products, so good progress). 

 

Regardless, people will always find a way. What difference does it make pointing this guy out, besides his stupidity for making his actions obvious? The most he'll get is his channel removed. What about the millions of other people who will continue unhindered?

 

It's a losing battle and I'm sure PMDG don't have the money or the time to persue it much like every other company. Drawing attention to it only worsens the problem.

Again couldn't agree more. I can't understand why one should make a post like this one. Like DeCampos said, the only thing this leads to is more pirates searching and downloading the 777X.

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I'm really not sure what you're hoping to achieve by pointing this out. Piracy is EVERYWHERE. There is nothing you, or PMDG can do except their best to make their products difficult to crack (I've heard the 777 was notoriously difficult for the pirating community compared to their previous products, so good progress). 
 

 

Completely agree... The fact that OP seems to be mortified that someone uploaded a pirated T7 copy also seems a bit extreme.

 

Honestly, it's everywhere and every bit of payware software around likely has users that crack the software and illegally distribute it. - Just the nature of the internet and the greed of humanity.

 

 


Drawing attention to it only worsens the problem. 

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It violates ToS for YouTube so report the issue.  The sad reality is that 60% of the population that use Software pirate software - why?  Because it's so easy to do -- prosecution is easy (IP address and data packets can always be traced to and from a source, if they couldn't then this entire "internet" thing wouldn't work at all).  However, I would certainly report to YouTube and PMDG regardless of what may or may not come from it as the statistical numbers add up it will force YouTube into a situation where they must enforce their ToS.

 

I do know that if enough people report enough ToS violations that YouTube can confirm, the violator(s) will be closed/banned.  If PMDG are aware they would have more influence as they are the commercial owners of the product and YouTube would be legally obligated to respond.

 

Giving up on fighting the piracy battle is the worst thing anyone who cares about the future of software could do ... apathy solves nothing.  The more the average person makes it a point to report violations, the harder it will be to make piracy "easy" for those without moralistic integrity (aka thieves).

 

Cheers, Rob.

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Agree with you all, it is a shame, and I am sure it is painful for developers to see their work shared for free. Look at what happened to the music industry, now musicians have to earn their living touring, forget making money selling records (I play drums in a band and can relate)

Anyways, yup not much point showing that here, it's all over youtube, all we can do is report it....

and keep on supporting beloved FS devs...

John.

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Can't believe this is really a topic. 

Agreed, and I disagree with Rob, although usually I don't.

 

There's another way to look at this - if you're stupid enough to fly a world-class add-on like the T7 and broadcast your piracy on the internet, then you're an idiot for all the world to see and deserve anything you might receive.

 

However:

 

If you download a pirated copy to just check it out, and then either hate it and remove it or remove it and buy the full working version, then I think the pirated software, though illegal, has done a good thing and prevented an unhappy customer or made a sale. 

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If you download a pirated copy to just check it out, and then either hate it and remove it or remove it and buy the full working version, then I think the pirated software, though illegal, has done a good thing and prevented an unhappy customer or made a sale. 

Hi Kattz. I think it would be better to ask for demos than tryit-by-pirate (I'm trademarkinng that lol) If one has to look for a silver lining in the mass pirating situation then I think you've found the best one could come up with.

 

I do understand where you're coming from, but there are two things I've witnessed about that approach that annoy me.

 

1) Person who pirates comes to the developer's site asking for tech support. Then, eventually, paying customers have to jump through hoops and show real names, order numbers, private forums, etc...

2) Person who pirates gets all types of trojans and malware and warns folks about how the product isn't safe. You know, 'cause pirates always tell the truth about the product they put up for download. Amirite? Your friendly neighborhood pirate would never infect your machine on purpose...

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If you download a pirated copy to just check it out, and then either hate it and remove it or remove it and buy the full working version, then I think the pirated software, though illegal, has done a good thing and prevented an unhappy customer or made a sale. 

 

Fair enough, we disagree ... but I certainly don't want to spend time helping someone who has stolen software (and I know I have) ... theft is theft no matter what excuse one uses to dress it up ... and like you said it's illegal.  I'm glad AVSIM has zero tolerance towards it.

 

It's the long term consequences that we suffer today and tomorrow.  60% of the population steal software, 11% steal retail goods ... if the numbers were equal at 11% most developers (like myself) wouldn't have a big problem with it (acceptable lose).  But the numbers aren't equal and that 60% gets larger every year nothing is done about it as the apathy continues. 

 

Because of that number good honest people are being forced thru security hoops ... some security more effective than others and some more intrusive than others.  We've (my company) has recovered about 25% revenue by NOT being apathetic about our software theft - real  quantified numbers, not projections.

 

Mathijs (Aerosoft) has reported different results from his security process so obviously revenue recovery seems to respond differently in various client (end user) environments.  But for the here and now, my company will always continue the fight against piracy because that fight is working for us ... even just simple identification of the thief is often enough to recover or reduce it.

 

Cheers, Rob.

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Piracy effects all of us who buy software.....Less revenue for the developer means less resources for them to develop new products.

 

Cheers

Martin

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Hi, Rob,

 

I'm not endorsing the crime. It's just that it's so widespread that one almost has to look for the silver lining. I have to admit that it's pretty ballsy for someone with a pirated copy to ask for support.

 

After the initial post I looked up PMDG 777 and ngx on the internet, I was frankly blown away by the number of hits I got for pirated software. I really don't pay attention to that kind of stuff because I'm never looking for it.

 

I checked out some of the sites and I did notice something interesting. On many sites I read "please use this as a demo and if you like it, then support the developer and buy it".

 

Could be CYA language or intentionally meant. Don't know. It is still illegal. I'm sure it's probably hard to be a developer and see your work stolen and distributed.

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Giving up on fighting the piracy battle is the worst thing anyone who cares about the future of software could do ... apathy solves nothing. The more the average person makes it a point to report violations, the harder it will be to make piracy "easy" for those without moralistic integrity (aka thieves).

 

Illegal is illegal, pirated is pirated - is illegal. What is so difficult to understand? Trying to minimize it or trying to justify it is bad for this hobby. Rob is spot on. Katz, the original poster, is also accurate here:

 

"I checked out some of the sites and I did notice something interesting. On many sites I read "please use this as a demo and if you like it, then support the developer and buy it".

Could be CYA language or intentionally meant. Don't know. It is still illegal. I'm sure it's probably hard to be a developer and see your work stolen and distributed."

 

CYA is a very accurate assessment. I suppose that is to make them seem / feel less guilty or what they are doing less illegal. Self justification. Piracy in any form is no better than being a thief and partaking of pirated material is no better than being a pickpocket.

 

Regards to all,

Mel

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I use torrents to trade old time radio shows. It's a digital offshoot of the people who used to trade cassettes, Vinyl and other media containing these old shows. Most of these are abandoned by the networks, or their trading is allowed by those who do, like the old CBS Radio Mystery Theater from the 70s. We just arent allowed to sell them. I see a lot of things on these sites and am never shocked. I got to beta test a PC game that I know had a very VERY small user base, and it even showed up on 'the site'.

I think the people who do pirate things would think differently if they were trying to make a living on something and it showed up for free.

Im a 3D modeler and am still trying to figure out how so many people can afford Maya, 3DS max and Cinema4D to do hobbyist modeling. Especially those who say they 'use all three'.  Thousands of dollars right there. I use Blender.....it's what I can afford.

Same with FSX....i'm a freeware junky.

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If he stole it then what he did is wrong but us ######in about it isnt going to change a thing. I will say I do like his ENB settings though. I understand what yal are doing but I believe this something Robert and the team at PMDG need to handle. So why don't yal put down the pitch forks and torches and just shoot Robert an email with a link to the video. Chances are this is just some kid.

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If he stole it then what he did is wrong but us ######in about it isnt going to change a thing. I will say I do like his ENB settings though. I understand what yal are doing but I believe this something Robert and the team at PMDG need to handle. So why don't yal put down the pitch forks and torches and just shoot Robert an email with a link to the video. Chances are this is just some kid.

 

Yes!, the ENB settings are very nice indeed. 

 

C'mon ppl really? this post is like saying "I can't believe that the Cartel's murder people on the street". There are more pirated copies than original copies of the T7, I swear 

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On behalf of PMDG, I am shutting this thread down. There is no justification for pirating, period. Condoning it in the AVSIM forums is a violation of our ToS' and we will not react positively to any rationalization the does serve to condone. Make sure you read our ToS' again.

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