Maybe he medicated himself with a handful of valium.

Maybe he medicated himself with a handful of valium.

I think it is very unlikely that he took "a handful" of valium, got a noticeable effect and crashed the airliner all within 8 minutes once the pilot left the cockpit.

Have you done any thoughts about, how the inexperienced should get their experience, if not flying for an airline?????

I debated if I should even respond to your rebuttal, if you think a 27 year old w/ only 500 hours or even a 1000 belongs in the cockpit of a complex jet as this then you nn to go have a long think. . His time in the cockpit was a joke and I hope that German Wings and or DLH gets taken to the cleaners.  I have worked for many airlines and I don't know of anyone of them that would allow someone w/ his obvious lack of experience to jump right into a large jet w/out first spending many (hundreds) hours flying smaller acrft.  You cannot even defend this action by the airline, and this sort of practice needs to stop industry wide.  I have known hundreds of pilots who spent 1000's of hours flying in all conditions w/out an autopilot before even being considered to fly a complex jet.

I am sure QANTAS is damn thankful they did not have this experience level when their A380 suffered a major malfunction. There is an old saying in show business, don't practice on the public's dime. German Wings has a lot to answer for about this guy and his employment record. Still in shock :blink:

By the way, no one said he should not get experience flying w/ an airline, read more carefully.

I think it is very unlikely that he took "a handful" of valium, got a noticeable effect and crashed the airliner all within 8 minutes once the pilot left the cockpit.

If he was suffering from mental illness and depression , good chance he was already medicated.

I debated if I should even respond to your rebuttal, if you think a 27 year old w/ only 500 hours or even a 1000 belongs in the cockpit of a complex jet as this then you nn to go have a long think. . His time in the cockpit was a joke and I hope that German Wings and or DLH gets taken to the cleaners.  I have worked for many airlines and I don't know of anyone of them that would allow someone w/ his obvious lack of experience to jump right into a large jet w/out first spending many (hundreds) hours flying smaller acrft.  You cannot even defend this action by the airline, and this sort of practice needs to stop industry wide.  I have known hundreds of pilots who spent 1000's of hours flying in all conditions w/out an autopilot before even being considered to fly a complex jet.

I am sure QANTAS is damn thankful they did not have this experience level when their A380 suffered a major malfunction. There is an old saying in show business, don't practice on the public's dime. German Wings has a lot to answer for about this guy and his employment record. Still in shock :blink:

What does any of it have to do with suicide :blink:

If he was suffering from mental illness and depression , good chance he was already medicated.

What does any of it have to do with suicide :blink:

Look many pilots have problems, and this accident has brought to light some serious questions and if you had read my first post on this you would understand. :blink:

Look many pilots have problems, and this accident has brought to light some serious questions and if you had read my first post on this you would understand. :blink:

Your suggestion that if a pilot develops mental problems eg depression which is the most common would be never allowed back into a jet is quite frankly ridiculous

 

He was eventually passed as fit to fly as countless other pilots would have been over the years and I still don't get your reference to low flight time being some sort of a factor in this

I don't know what your reading, but that was not suggested in any way by me,  and (2) you obviously are not or did not read my initial post carefully. Try again :rolleyes:

I don't know what your reading, but that was not suggested in any way by me,  and (2) you obviously are not or did not read my initial post carefully. Try again :rolleyes:

Dude quite playing cat n mouse, just say what you want to say

 

you posted this

 

"the issue is how does a pilot who takes leave for mental problems get back into a jet"

 

my reply

 

Your suggestion that if a pilot develops mental problems eg depression which is the most common would be never allowed back into a jet is quite frankly ridiculous

Pilots are a dime a dozen, and it is high time that airlines stop hiring inexperience. :angry:

 

 

By the way, no one said he should not get experience flying w/ an airline, read more carefully.

 

And you should maybe go back, and carefully read, what you actually wrote in the quoted post. :Straight Face:

What does any of it have to do with suicide :blink:

Because if he wasn't given this opportunity to be at the controls of a 150 passenger jet so quickly, he may have only been able to off himself in a C152 and only murder one other person instead of so many others.

 

Suicide will never be prevented, but without ab initio programs, this one obviously would not have had the opportunity to happen last week. Requiring pilots at the majors to have experience in previous flying jobs means that by the time the applicants get there, you can have some confidence that these applicants are from a pool that has had some vetting and culling by time. The weak pilots will have either flown themselves into a hill or stalled in somewhere else, the careless or reckless will have violations on their record, and the disturbed will have lost their medical by now. Not 100% by any means, but maybe enough so that these 150 might still be alive.

There are a number of cases where people on medication for depresion begin to feel a lot better as a result of it and decide that there's no need to continue taking it anymore. This sudden break in taking the medication frequently results in suicide attemps.

Discussing the cp's mental health is frankly a bit of a minefield. But it's likely he knew what he was doing and therefore had he survived would have rightly been convicted.

Because if he wasn't given this opportunity to be at the controls of a 150 passenger jet so quickly, he may have only been able to off himself in a C152 and only murder one other person instead of so many others.

 

 

False.

Read the statement by Frank Woiton, pilot at GWI, reported by some German media. He flew several times with Andreas Lubitz as F/O and admittedly even left him alone in the cockpit. Nothing happened. The guy is described as a young man with the passion for aviation and the dream of becoming an airline pilot in long haul flights, someone who was able to perfectly control a jetliner. A normal, successful 27 years old man, an avid runner who competed at local and enterprise marathons, the guy next door. He clocked in 630 flight hours at GWI after attending a flight school in Arizona for one of the most reputable airlines in the world. The pilot of the ill-fated GWI9525, Patrick Sonnenheimer, had a record of 6,000 flight hours and was considered one of the most experienced pilots within the fleet. He obviously knew Andreas Lubitz better than you and I and flew possibly several times with him, including the flight from EDDL to LEBL on the day before. Do you think he would leave Andreas Lubitz alone in the flight deck if he had any minimal reasonable suspect about his suicidal intentions? I don't think so.

Truth is Andreas Lubitz was a guy like many others until 9:30Z of March 24, 2015. Yes, he suffered from depression, so what? According to several unofficial sources, 20-30% of the world populations suffers from this disease, nonetheless they are not supposed to kill themselves and other 150 people in any way and at any time. I am positive that many other pilots in other airlines also suffer or suffered from some kind of depression at some point. On the other side, there are several cases of pilots who apparently had no previous record of depression, mental illness or radicalism and nonetheless crashed their aircraft with a deliberate action.

 

It is very easy to blame someone today, but truth is that human psychology is incredibly complex and human behaviour is often unpredictable.

And none of thiem knew him as well as her.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/germanwings-crash-co-pilot-hid-illness-airline-050913689.html

 

You're right that behavior is complex and unpredictable, which is why time is the best vetter of all. Even Andrea Lubitz knew that with his issues, time will eventually catch up to him and prevent him from flying the big stuff. Unfortunately, the ab initio program allowed him to fly a 150 seater while he was being seasoned for the 'real' job.

There are many possible ways for your name to be 'known by everyone one day'. A sentence like that, even if confirmed as true, does not imply necessarily that he would deliberately crash an airliner with 150 people on board or someone could predict such a behaviour with a reasonable degree of certainty. It may be interpreted in many ways.

 

There was obviosuly something wrong with Andreas Lubitz. But the real question is: how could someone predict his behaviour? How can we blame DLH and GWI or his closest friends if even pilots with thousands of flight hours who flew with him daily had no problems in leaving him alone in the cockpit?

I've learned over the years never to trust what we are being fed by the media or disgruntled ex-partners. Until they have 100% conclusive proof (which they may never get), it's all speculation. The media, as always, is spouting "breaking headlines" and jumping on every little rumour/story it hears, and people follow along with it and believe everything they read. We'll probably never know 100% what caused the crash (and if we are to believe the stories that the pilot was locked out of the cockpit) then we'll still never know why Andreas decided to begin a descent using the autopilot into a mountain. 

 

His girlfriend is going to start trying to put 2+2 together and come up with 5. Just because he said something in the past, she (or the media) have taken it out of context. I mean, how many times have we all said "I'm going to kill him/her", but would we actually do it and do we actually mean it? I could say the same about my ex girlfriends or even people I knew and if one of them was to die in a suspicious accident, I could put 2+2 together and say, well she said something that makes me think she'd do it, so it must have been her who caused it. 

 

I'm not defending the guy in any way, and there is a high probability based on evidence so far that he is responsible, but until they can prove it with something believable, I'm keeping an open mind.