It costs a lot of money to train up an airline pilots especially this guy as he went through the Lufthansa flight school. Same goes with the air force , I think that obviously goes a long way in answering the why was he allowed to fly questions

German media reporting "a former episode of severe depression" and "recent regular medical treatment" for the same reason.  

 

Germanwings could be in for a "treat".  

The flying public has a right to have only the best and most experienced flying them around. Pilots are a dime a dozen, and it is high time that airlines stop hiring inexperience. :angry:

 

Have you done any thoughts about, how the inexperienced should get their experience, if not flying for an airline?????

If the video above is any indication...a toddler could have bashed that door in.

 

Except if the switch is set to "lock".

Taking out the flight attendant, or lack of knowledge of same, is a consideration... However, having someone to talk to is the key. IF this is a suicide,  then none of us can even begin to understand the unbelievable pain he must have been in to nose down a loaded airliner. Maybe just having someone there to talk to at that moment could have changed this story completely.

 

 

Sympathy for the innocent without question... but I think Sympathy for the co-pilot is not a wasted jester.  

 

Human psychology is complex. Anyone with suicidal tendencies enough to take out their families or others with them should seek help. It's bad enough topping yourself but criminal to take others with you. If he felt this way he should have removed himself and delt with the problem by himself.

One thing I find quite odd is his lack of hours considering the time he spent employed by the airline.

 

There is a lot of speculation about the French State Prosecutor not being invloved in aviation and therefore not knowing what he is talking about. Bear in mind that he has been given this information by the experts and they have where possible had to answer his questions. When it is clear that a potential criminal act has caused a hull loss the investigators have to disclose their findings to the relevant legal authorities.

They were extremely lucky in my opinion to have even found a CVR with information. Bearing in mind that the aircraft went from being a fully intact functioning machine to tiny particles in no more than 250 milliseconds.

... However, having someone to talk to is the key. IF this is a suicide,  then none of us can even begin to understand the unbelievable pain he must have been in to nose down a loaded airliner. Maybe just having someone there to talk to at that moment could have changed this story completely.

 

To be honest, this is actually the best post in this thread IMHO - because rather than getting all into new procedures, technology, automated aircraft, etc, etc, this comment get's to the heart of the issue - the human factor.

 

Human volition is powerful.   Humans have been getting around complicated procedural and technical constaints for years.

 

Regular counselling (therapy) sessions for all pilots (to try to pick up issues proactively), is probably going to be more effective than putting vulnerable flight attendants (which lets face it are 80% female) into the cockpit.

 

 

Anyone with suicidal tendencies enough to take out their families or others with them should seek help. It's bad enough topping yourself but criminal to take others with you. If he felt this way he should have removed himself and delt with the problem by himself.

 

Of course we'd all agree with that, because we're all (presumably) of sound mind.  But when you're talking about someone with a severe mental illness, rational thoughts and decisions as you suggest above, just aren't going to happen.   Of course to you, I, and everyone reading this, bringing down an airliner with 150 souls aboard (and 16 school children on an exchange trip) is morally repugnant, psychopathic ........ but what if the co-pilot's depression had crossed the line into a psychotic episode?   What if it was 'yet to be diagnosed' Schizophrenia? ...... In those cases, we cannot assume that an individual will think rationally such as 'ok, I have to go home and kill myself alone'.      As we've all seen in many other cases (not just aviation), severe mental illnesses can be de-humanizing.  I'm obviously not defending the guy - his actions were monstrous.   Merely pointing out that suggesting what he should have done, rationally, is irrelevent if it turns out he was in a phase of severe mental ilness.

Looks like the transponder data included Alt Sel figures from the FCU and there was a deliberate input of 96 feet, down from cruising altitude in 3 seconds

 

http://forum.flightradar24.com/threads/8650-We-have-analysed-the-raw-data-from-the-transponder-of-4U9525-and-found-some-more-dat?p=64616

 

I also felt like they were sort of jumping the gun with the reports based only on the CVR and that they should have completed the investigation before going public, but truth is by now it looks pretty clear what happened.

 

My heart goes out to the victims and their families, particularly the family of the FO. One can only imagine what they're going through

We don't know when the locking mechanism would have reset. The 5 to 20 minutes just is a general timespan which differs by airline. And the airline specific timespans won't be published for obvious reasons.

Actually the Germanwings CEO said yesterday or the day before in an interview that the company sets the lock for 5 minutes, so we do know.

Co-pilot willfully prevented the captain's entry.

Now it's really getting stranger and stranger. German police report that they found a medical note stating he (Andreas) was "unfit for work" dated the day before he flew for the final time. He never delivered the note to his employer.

Now it's really getting stranger and stranger. German police report that they found a medical note stating he (Andreas) was "unfit for work" dated the day before he flew for the final time. He never delivered the note to his employer.

 

 

Yeah, it sent a shiver right up my spine.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/27/germanwings-co-pilot-andreas-lubitzs-background-under-scrutiny

 

 

Düsseldorf prosecutors said they had found a torn-up doctor’s note signing 27-year-old Andreas Lubitz off work on the day of the crash

Yeah, it sent a shiver right up my spine.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/27/germanwings-co-pilot-andreas-lubitzs-background-under-scrutiny

I hope they don't find FSX/P3D or X-Plane on his computer, because you know what will come next!

It doesn't bear thinking about Tom. :(

I'm getting confused:

 

Is it possible for a CVR to record 'normal breathing' when the aircraft goes nearly 400 kts at 7.000 feet with A/C and cooling fans on?

Yes, it is quite possible. The microphones used are very expensive, highly efficient noise-cancelling types. In addition to that, any competent sound laboratory can filter out specific sounds such as fans, etc.

I hope they don't find FSX/P3D or X-Plane on his computer, because you know what will come next!

 

I think that is irrelevant in this situation because he was from a well off family and was an avid aviator from an early age. His family could afford to send him to flying school so he had spent a lot of time with his local flying club and was well known in his local flying community.

 

What get me is his doctor wrote him a note to not fly that day and he tore it up. I would think a Doctor should have an the ability to inform an employer that someone is not fit to fly but this doesn't appear to be the procedure in this case.

 

I guess we will have a few years of inquiries to look at what changes will be necessary with medical certifications etc