And I refuse to declare a 28 year old aviation enthusiast guilty, who made his dream become true and knew what life is all about.

 

It bears pointing out that you did not know this guy well enough either to make a declarative statement about him  "knowing what life is all about", so this is just you expressing your opinion, in exactly the same way as others have here - and the fact that he was an "aviation enthusiast" is really irrelevant  - time will hopefully reveal the facts, but this is obviously not always the case...

Or the full lock-out mode on the door.

 

Scott

My understanding is that even in full lock mode, that is on a 5 minute timer, then goes back to Norm mode. (In the case the pilot in the cockpit becomes incapacitated while the door was locked. ) The descent was about 10 min based on the radar path, that would mean he had to initiate the lock mechanism at least twice If so that's more evidence of a deliberate act, if there wasn't already!

the pilot that did it is a flat out coward, he should have went home and killed himself regardless of his own problems,

 

I concur.  I believe in the fundamental right of a person taking their own life. I could care less about other peoples religious mores. 

 

And if this person for whatever reason wanted to pull out of life, should have gone home and layed down in a coffin and pulled the trigger.  Not Mass murder a whole lot of innocent beings. That is extremely cruel and horrific thing to do. What an evil man he was.

I don't remember ever seeing an aircraft so "shredded" as that poor A320 that crashed in the French Alps this morning.

I can recall many that were "shredded". Aircraft accidents are never pretty.

The facts seem to be the the captain was locked out of the cockpit, and the aircraft made a controlled descent into the mountains.

 

The reasons are not yet known - they may not what be what we expect..

NOW I KNOW WHY I FLY ALONE:

 

TRUST NO ONE

They can screen for it with psychology? The same way the military or the FBI screens applicants for abnormal behavior or tendencies.

Society is full of abnormal behavior and pilots, military, FBI are no different. A degree in psychology is no protection from someone bent on doing abnormal things. You will never totally be able to stop these events until a plane can be controlled from the ground by someone other then the pilots, and that I don't see on the horizon.

PS, by the way he was screened, upon his return to flight status after his leave from flying for 6 mo. as so reported. :blink:

NOW I KNOW WHY I FLY ALONE:

 

TRUST NO ONE

Ditto - Trust no one but yourself....Terrible turn of events..

Maybe the co-pilot was unconscious for some reason and didn't know what he was doing shortly before. I think it's too early for taking the current official statements too seriously. It didn't even happen 3 days ago and everybody behaves like now we all know all facts already. In fact we don't know anything. We haven't seen any data, any fact, any preliminary report. Nothing. And I refuse to declare a 28 year old aviation enthusiast guilty, who made his dream become true and knew what life is all about. My thoughts are with his family. Let them alone for now!

Exactly, in favor of the co-pilot who seems condemned before all the facts are known:

 

My version of what happened;

 

It has happened before that seemingly fit and healthy people suddenly develop a blood clot

because of the pressure change in an airliner. Assuming this happened to him the clot blocked

the blood flow to his brain leaving him half conscious and confused. His thought however was that

it happened because of decompression, so in his last moments of consciousness he sets in a

descent (and before he gets the chance to dial in the correct alt he passes out).

The captain returns but hadn't memorized the door unlock code and his jacket with his note book

was still in the cockpit. For some reason none of the other crew knew the code or the unlock

mechanism just didn't work.

 

Hence the fatal outcome. My thoughts are with all that were on board and their family's

Exactly, in favor of the co-pilot who seems condemned before all the facts are known:

 

My version of what happened;

 

It has happened before that seemingly fit and healthy people suddenly develop a blood clod

because of the pressure change in an airliner. Assuming this happened to him the clod blocked

the blood flow to his brain leaving him half conscious and confused. His thought however was that

it happened because of decompression, so in his last moments of consciousness he sets in a

descent (and before he gets the chance to dial in the correct alt he passes out).

The captain returns but hadn't memorized the door unlock code and his jacket with his note book

was still in the cockpit. For some reason none of the other crew knew the code or the unlock

mechanism just didn't work.

 

Hence the fatal outcome. My thoughts are with all that were on board and their family's

Great theory, could be true but will we ever know the truth???? Very harrowing.

The technology is easily available. Think uav. I agree total automation may never happen. But not due to technology limits. But rather liability. Boeing and Airbus would be foolish to build a plane where the crash cannot be blamed on pilot error. But to have a plane that can be controlled from a central ground station, with an onboard human backup, is easily attainable with today's uav technology.

So some nutter is going to burst into the control room and spray everyone from an automatic. No difference there then!

I would so love to believe that this was an accident, and that some cause of unconsciousness was to blame.   It is also conceivable that the disorientated co-pilot initiated a descent, in confusion, fearing decompression.

 

But the fact is, the "LOCK" button must be pressed every 5 minutes to maintain a 'denied' entrance from the outside.   The descent is reported to have taken 8 minutes, so this means that, the facts would suggest ;

 

• Captain is absent from the flight deck
• Co-Pilot initiated descent
• Co-Pilot activates the "LOCK" function, which disables any access from outside the flight deck.  This state is active for 5 minutes.
• Co-Pilot further presses the "LOCK" button, which ensures that even after the 5 minutes no access is possible from outside the flight deck

 

That 5 minutes / 8 minutes factor seems critical to what happened : the switch on the pedastal for the door is a momentary switch - it sits in it's normal position unless momentarily pushed up (to "OPEN" the door), or momentarily pushed down to "LOCK" to deny external access for 5 minutes.   It seems inevitable that the Co-Pilot had to press the momentary "LOCK" switch again at some time before the initial 5 minutes had past.

I would so love to believe that this was an accident, and that some cause of unconsciousness was to blame.   It is also conceivable that the disorientated co-pilot initiated a descent, in confusion, fearing decompression.

 

But the fact is, the "LOCK" button must be pressed every 5 minutes to maintain a 'denied' entrance from the outside.   The descent is reported to have taken 8 minutes, so this means that, the facts would suggest ;

 

• Captain is absent from the flight deck
• Co-Pilot initiated descent
• Co-Pilot activates the "LOCK" function, which disables any access from outside the flight deck.  This state is active for 5 minutes.
• Co-Pilot further presses the "LOCK" button, which ensures that even after the 5 minutes no access is possible from outside the flight deck

 

That 5 minutes / 8 minutes factor seems critical to what happened : the switch on the pedastal for the door is a momentary switch - it sits in it's normal position unless momentarily pushed up (to "OPEN" the door), or momentarily pushed down to "LOCK" to deny external access for 5 minutes.   It seems inevitable that the Co-Pilot had to press the momentary "LOCK" switch again at some time before the initial 5 minutes had past.

 

Taken directly from PPrune and which was quoted from the A320 Manual.

 

COCKPIT DOOR toggle switch 

 

UNLOCK position : This position is used to enable the cabin crewmember to open the door. The switch must be pulled and maintained in the unlock position until the door is pushed open. 

 

NORM position : All latches are locked, and EMERGENCY access is possible for the cabin crew.

 

LOCK position : Once the button has been moved to this position, the door is locked ; emergency access, the buzzer, and the keypad are inhibited for a preselected time (5 to 20 min).

 

Apparently Germanwings CEO stated the door LOCK time was set to 5 mins.

 

If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, it must be a duck, that's my theory. This event may go well beyond just a pilot, but a mind set w/in a society, country an airline, draw your own conclusions. One fact is for sure, no one knows yet what happened, but the evidence is mounting. Some of the theories I have been reading are just :blink: and anything is possible  :blink: . 

 

 

If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, it must be a duck, that's my theory.

 

Exactly.  Or to put it another way, Occam's razor applies.  It certainly seems as though the investigators agree.

 

Some countries and airlines are already reacting, putting in place regulations requiring multiple crew members in the cockpit at all times.  See for example: http://www.bnn.ca/News/2015/3/26/Air-Canada-changing-cockpit-policy-after-Germanwings-crash.aspx

 

Scott