Incidentally, can you point me to anything whatsoever that said Aerosoft believes a sim was not possible? Anything at all?

 

They did not need to say anything, the silence from Aerosoft says everything we need to know about their "future sim"

They did not need to say anything, the silence from Aerosoft says everything we need to know about their "future sim"

 

Then we are being very imprecise with our use of the language. Aerosofts decision not to continue says nothing about it not being possible, only that they decided not to do it themselves, or to pursue other (probably safer) options, which if I remember correctly was X-plane.

 

At the time, X-plane looked like the future (all those amazing night shots!) and a very cool one. For many, it still does. And for just as many, it does not.

 

Some think its time for a completely clean break. And some think we should milk what we have to the very end.

 

Glass half full? Glass half empty?

 

I guess the individual decides.

The possibilities are limitless and all it takes is for those who want a next generation flight simulator to start getting involved. 

 

What practical help can I offer to the development of a new flight simulator? I can build and pay for a website that provides a place for those who believe in the possibilities to gather and plan and find all of those who can offer even more practical help. 

 

CrowdSourcing is an amazing tool and it incorporates the talents of people all over the world. Can we tap into that vast amount of talent... if we take the proper steps to do so we can.

 

I like HiFlyers' attitude... he's willing to bring all of the talents that he has to bring... to help towards a successful development of a next generation flight simulator. Now what if we had 10 more like him, and then 100, then 1000 and so on. 

 

It's called a movement... a movement we can all participate in.

 

HiFlyer already mentioned Star Citizen, there are hundreds more, Elite Dangerous, Car Project, IL2- Stalingrad, DCS WWII, just to name a few. 

 

And then there is "No Man's Sky" started by just a four man team on a minimal budget.

 

“We would accomplish many more things if we did not think of them as impossible.” – Vince Lombardi

 

 

200,000 people are not going to invest $50 in any type of project that may or may not see the light of day.

 

No they won't... but 200,000 people just might invest $50 in a project that is well conceived and devised by those who have the capabilities to set down together and discuss, plan, create, and then implement.

 

Within a community of flight simulators, there are those who are quite successful in business planning and succeeding at accomplishing those plans. Now what if they gathered together in one place and worked together to implement the plans necessary to succeed in creating a next generation flight simulator. And what if that planning included the input of all of the community members. 

 

No... I wouldn't invest a plug nickle into a ill conceived plan, but a well thought out plan over a six month period or more devised by smart and intelligent people... now that I would invest $1000 or more.

 

“It always seems impossible until it’s done.” – Nelson Mandela

 

Stephen B

 

 

The domain name abbreviation doesn't make much sense to me because "nex" isn't an accepted abbreviation of "next." It's an unpredictable domain name, is my point.

 

I'm beginning to understand... you just don't like it... and that's OK... but apparently many others do... just google "Nexgen" and you'll be surprised... About 763,000 results (0.32 seconds) 

 

Stephen B

I like HiFlyers' attitude... he's willing to bring all of the talents that he has to bring... to help towards a successful development of a next generation flight simulator. Now what if we had 10 more like him, and then 100, then 1000 and so on. 

 

Though I'm not so sure I can be of all that much use. Most of my energies are directed towards Outerra at the moment, because honestly, thats an effort not dependant upon this community. The Outerra team has a dream and a goal, and while our enthusiasm can certainly help, any apathy on our part won't stop them.

 

Because of that, I believe they have a good chance. Unfortunately, judging from what I am seeing here, that might just be the only chance for something truly new in the foreseeable future.

Thanks HiFlyer... it's the thought that counts in this instance. 

 

Stephen B.

 

200,000 people are not going to invest $50 in any type of project that may or may not see the light of day.

 

They might if they have enough optimism. Let's face it, most of us have lost far more than $50 over the years on aircraft and scenery addons that ended up being rubbish, and were installed once, uninstalled, and never used again.

Stephen,

Which other Flight simulation forums have you reached out to, and what has been the response there ?

200,000 people are not going to invest $50 in any type of project that may or may not see the light of day.

 

You'd better tell that to the over 900,000 people that have funded Star Citizen to the tune of over $83m. That's a title in a niche genre that was supposedly dead.

 

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/funding-goals

 

You also better tell it to the developers of Project Cars and Elite Dangrous who managed to secure millions through crowd funding and private investors so they could bring their titles to the market without the backing of traditional publishers.

 

 

How do you expect a group of amateurs to achieve that.

 

Just in case you weren't aware:

 

sym·po·si·um   (sĭm-pō′zē-əm)

n. pl. sym·po·si·ums or sym·po·si·a (-zē-ə)

1. A meeting or conference for discussion of a topic, especially one in which the participants form an audience and make presentations.

2. A collection of writings on a particular topic, as in a magazine.

3. A convivial meeting for drinking, music, and intellectual discussion among the ancient Greeks.

 

A symposium =/= business proposition or project plan. The OP is trying to gauge interest in such a title and provide the community with a central place to discuss it, and hopefully attract the attention of the kind of people who can bring a new flight simulation platform to us.

 

Incidentally, what practical help can you offer to the development of new flight simulator?

 

Incidentally, in those 8,103 posts of yours over more than eleven years, have any of them been anything other than negative, argumentative or contradictory? Do you have anything at all positive or constructive to contribute to the discussion?

 

It would be nice if folks who have nothing constructive to add to the discussion exercise their right to remain silent...

 

Indeed it would.

 

@OP - Please do continue with what you are doing. Ignore the naysayers and stuck in the muds. You only have to look at Star Citizen to realise what is possible in a supposedly dead genre with no publishers interested.

Still cannot find this SIm-posium mentioned on any of the other forums

I would have thought the flightsim world would be buzzing with the news of this community initiative by now.

Bravo, Nick B)

Hi,

 

 

 

Within a community of flight simulators, there are those who are quite successful in business planning and succeeding at accomplishing those plans. Now what if they gathered together in one place and worked together to implement the plans necessary to succeed in creating a next generation flight simulator. And what if that planning included the input of all of the community members. 

 

I think this is the breaking point to be honest.... Just imagine all the great Addon Devs would come together and support this effort.....

PMDG, ORBX, Aerosoft, Flight1, A2A, HiFi..... and so on just to name a few (this list is by no means complete)... and agree to work together on a new community driven flight sim...... They'd secure the next standard for their future as addon providers, without carriying the financial risk alone all on their shoulders.....that is what croudfunding is all about! 

 

Just imagine what the affore mentinoned developers could do without the constant limitations of FSX/P3D and so on...... because they are part of the development team - they could develop what they need and incorporate that into the base sim.....

 

and regarding the money...... well, I spent more last evening on drinks then the 50$ or so dollars I'd easily 'd be willing to risk on that project......

A lot of neigh-sayers around these parts. Nothing wrong with having a go, if someone wants to step up and make that happen, fantastic. If it doesn't work out, at least they had a go. Just because Aerosoft backed out doesn't mean anyone else should try.

 

I speculate the problem with X-Plane, when looking at next gen, is since LM has that locked down, and doesn't appear to be growing (in terms of developers) then there isn't really a lot we can do (that's the same in all closed source applications, but users gripes don't appear to be disappearing). I wonder if more big names started developing for it, that might boost sales, and as such developers, and the whole thing improves at a more rapid pace. However, if people are not happy with X-Plane, for whatever reasons, trying to develop another sim might be the best idea. It's the same with Dovetails Flight Simulator, penned for 2016. We have no idea what that will be like other then based in Microsoft Flight technology. It could be really great, or could add another division in to the current FSX, XP, P3D arena and nobody is really any better off.

 

If someone could bring together what is liked about all three, this could be summarised as modern hardware support, add-on capability and good flight modelling, that would be a winner. And maybe someone just needs a good amount of monitory backing, such as Elite Dangerous did, and in 2-3 years you could have something as good. However, by the end of it, you're still going to have a platform with no third party support from day one, and that appears to be the big issue. With little third party support, why would buy it? A bit of a chicken and an egg situation.

 

That being said though, these are the important topics to be discussed and worked over. And until that's done, we'd never really know. No harm in trying

 

 

Bravo, Nick

 

Thankyou Christopher. I'm sometimes left aghast at the attitudes often displayed on these forums.

 

 

However, by the end of it, you're still going to have a platform with no third party support from day one, and that appears to be the big issue. With little third party support, why would buy it? A bit of a chicken and an egg situation.

 

You could bring selected third party developers on board during development so they have content ready shortly after release. You could also go the extra mile to develop and provide the kind of development tools and documentation that allows third party devs to do their thing a lot faster and easier. It all depends on the context, circumstances and target audience for which a new sim is developed.

 

Just because Aerosoft backed out doesn't mean anyone else should try.

 

Yes, I agree. In fact, I reckon that Aerosoft considered creating their own flight simulator because there was no successor on the horizon for FSX, and then decided not to bother when P3D appeared.

and then decided not to bother when P3D appeared.

 

They dropped the idea long before P3D appeared. They dropped the idea because the financial outlay was not worth the potential income. Now we have: FS2004, FSX, FSX SE, P3D, XP10, Flight, whatever DTG releases, and all the other smaller flight sims people use. That is where the market is right now.