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Rex just released their weather architect, does it work with PMDG's WRX?

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Rex just released their weather architect, does it work with PMDG's WRX?

 

At the moment? No.

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that was fast haha

 

Thanks Kyle! So with "at the moment" can I assume it may be implement later? Of course after the already planned roadmap

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can I assume it may be implement later?

 

I'm simply saying that, as of this moment, it is not compatible. The future? Who knows. Depends on what people produce, and how wiling they are to work with us, I guess.

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I'm simply saying that, as of this moment, it is not compatible. The future? Who knows. Depends on what people produce, and how wiling they are to work with us, I guess.

 

Hey Kyle.

Over on the REX forums, they are pointing the finger back at PMDG saying "We are trying to work with PMDG, however they do not answer our enquiries. Pose the question to them as we are happy to assist!" Can we expect there to be some sort of amicable effort or should we just continue on with ASN?

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Hey Kyle.

Over on the REX forums, they are pointing the finger back at PMDG saying "We are trying to work with PMDG, however they do not answer our enquiries. Pose the question to them as we are happy to assist!" Can we expect there to be some sort of amicable effort or should we just continue on with ASN?

 

Hope for effort as ASN is a stutter machine when preloading weather.

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Hey Kyle.

Over on the REX forums, they are pointing the finger back at PMDG saying "We are trying to work with PMDG, however they do not answer our enquiries. Pose the question to them as we are happy to assist!" Can we expect there to be some sort of amicable effort or should we just continue on with ASN?

 

Interesting. We haven't heard anything from them. Can you link us to it so we can look into it?

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Hey Kyle.

Over on the REX forums, they are pointing the finger back at PMDG saying "We are trying to work with PMDG, however they do not answer our enquiries. Pose the question to them as we are happy to assist!" Can we expect there to be some sort of amicable effort or should we just continue on with ASN?

 

Nameless,

 

Two items:

 

1) Please sign your posts in this forum so I don't have to remove them?  Thank you. 

 

2) We have a long history of communication with Tim that occasionally just goes cold for no obvious reason.  Ryan has been the primary point of contact between PMDG and REX for a couple of years and numerous times his emails simply cease being answered.  I am not one to throw stones at REX for it- as anyone who has tried to maintain an email communication chain with **me** will recognize that behavioral trait.  It is generally a sign that "I'm extremely busy and the topic of this conversation isn't my top priority right now" so you wound up dropping off my attention span in an inbox that usually takes 100+ email a day.  That is fine- I generally get back around to someone when the priority level improves, but generally speaking it is bad form to point the finger at the other guy and proclaim he is the problem.   :ph34r:

 

We have had this happen before with REX- and we have had them tell their customers that we ignored them when that was not a factually supportable position to take, so... 

 

I'll just shrug and go back to worrying about PMDG products.  B)

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Hope for effort as ASN is a stutter machine when preloading weather.

I've never had a stutter from ASN and I use it in FSX/FSXSE and P3D... the guys over at the HiFi forum provide really good support.  Have you tried them or are you just throwing stones.

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I've never had a stutter from ASN and I use it in FSX/FSXSE and P3D... the guys over at the HiFi forum provide really good support.  Have you tried them or are you just throwing stones.

 

Well considering that even in ASN options you have warnings of possible weather loading issues you either have a NASA computer or very low settings.

In order to make it look somewhat realistic together with REX soft clouds yes it does stutter on preloading clouds.

I have A Devil's Canyon @4.5, GTX 970, 16GB of RAM and SSD running FSX only. I understand limitations but I also look for better performance wherever I can find it.

And just out of curiosity... Just because YOU don't have those issues does that mean it's the only and the only truth out there?? Why people on here assume so much without knowing the facts or is that you are just throwing stones?

 

Yes maybe I should have mentioned about ASN with REX integration stuff but again even ASN alone with good settings tends to reload weather with micro stutters / freezes.

I never used P3D so wouldn't know.

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Well considering that even in ASN options you have warnings of possible weather loading issues you either have a NASA computer or very low settings.

 

You answered your own question without a doubt you cant do in fsx what You can't do in P3D - as for your question about my settings - I am running 2048 textures cloud detail at medium and draw distance of 70m - ASN is silky smooth - I have a Titan X - that helps but the biggest issue is you sim of choice - move on - you wont regret it

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You answered your own question without a doubt you cant do in fsx what You can't do in P3D - as for your question about my settings - I am running 2048 textures cloud detail at medium and draw distance of 70m - ASN is silky smooth - I have a Titan X - that helps but the biggest issue is you sim of choice - move on - you wont regret it

Downscc said he has no issues in any of the simulators that's what caught my attention.

BUT If not for the fact that I have quite a lot of $ invested into FSX I would probably move to P3D already :) 

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Wouldn't a REX weather engine, handling real/current/historical RW weather, be more interesting to talk about, than a wx 'architect'?

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http://www.realenvironmentxtreme.com/forums/index.php?/topic/35015-rex-4-weather-architect-final-pre-deployment-update/page-2

 

post 27   by the looks of  it  seems to be some  communications  problems :P

 

Peter-

 

Thanks.  I'm going to throw the "Bravo Sierra" flag.  As I stated earlier- his is a statement that is not supported by the facts.

 

We know folks are looking for interoperability with platforms other than ASN- and we are at the right point in development to add additional solutions, provided that they meet our standards- so it makes no sense that we would ignore them.  Given that they just released the product, it also doesn't stand to reason that we would ignore them. 

 

I think it is probably the usual hurt feelings because one of his competitors had the original idea to reach out to us with a technology integration solution and the timing just happened to be right for it to be inserted into one of our products because such things are good for simmers.  HiFi reached out to us professionally, in the spirit of cooperation and they were great fun to work with. 

 

I don't have much time or patience for made up tales and hurt feelings.  We have far too much work to do to be wasting our time with such things.

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Dear Robert -
 
We would very much like to have a conversation with you and PMDG.
 
We appreciate greatly the work that PMDG does and continue to push our customers to your product.
 
However, since your partnership with another competitor of ours we have felt cautioned because of the close ties.
 
Frankly, we are familiar with the other product and their requirements.  We do not feel it would be right to require us to implement a direct competitors SDK to make our product compatible with another.  It would be like asking you to have to use another competitors aircraft model so that you could release your product.  It defeats the purpose of development.
 
With that said we would be willing to have a voice conversation as soon as possible to work out our differences so that we can provide to the community in full what they ask for. 

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I love it when we all get along for the good of the community. Look forward to competition with ASN and REX's new offerings and being able to chose either when flying the finest birds in the sky!  :wub:

 

- Josh Daniels AKA "Nameless"  :P

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I wonder if many on here realize that  reason the PMDG WXR is ASN only.   

 

It is ASN only because as of right now ASN is the only product that has the abilities that PMDG needs to accurately simulate a weather radar.   ASN is a major breakthrough in weather injection and I am not sure some simmers get that..  This is not about playing favorites.

 

So I would imagine if another develop came along with a product that meets that capability then PMDG would probably work with them.    

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Reed,

 

Thank you for the response- it is appreciated.  PMDG has no bone to pick with REX- so it is unfortunate that you guys have been reticent to reach out.  The following answer is designed in part to bolster your confidence in working with us, but also to make sure that our mutual customers reading this understand some of the political spin that has taken place.

 

You all seem to have reached a bunch of conclusions about many topics without bothering to talk with us and that has lead you to some bogus conclusions, unfortunately.  When we announced the inclusion of ASN's data to produce a radar image in the 777, we made it clear that we were open to interface with other weather engines when and if they were able to provide similar capability.  We made it clear that such work would have to fall into the normal development cycle- which does pose some scheduling challenges, but that the long view was to work with anyone who has a viable technology.

 

During that period REX went on a bit of a "marketing campaign" that painted us as having partnered exclusively with ASN to the exclusion of REX.  This information was political, and we understood it as such, even though it wasn't really accurate.  We elected not to call you out on it, because the competitiveness of your organization and others is not our fight.

 

The truth was that ASN was the first to come to us with a technological capability that worked in a manner we felt accurately provided the data that should be displayed on the 777s radar.  They were there, they were willing and they were able- it had nothing to do with partnerships or exclusions.  It was purely an opportunity moment where they had a capability they felt was ready for broader use, and we were in a position to work with them because of the phase of development of the 777.

 

I have been openly complimentary of both product makers- even reaching out directly to T. Fuchs directly to tell him how much I enjoyed REX.  He appreciated the email and sent me a very nice reply- which I point out because it shows you all know how to reach us when needed. 

 

PMDG works very hard not to take sides.  We do not overtly support one VA or another, we don't support one ATC organization over another, we don't support one wx engine designer over another.  In fact- we make it a point to only speak critically under the rarest of circumstances because, frankly, our community is very small and we all benefit when we support one another.

 

If you have a technological solution that allows us to connect our aircraft to your weather engine, we are certainly interested to do so.  It will require cooperation between your developers and ours, and it will also require that you have a technological solution that provides data that can be used to accurately model what should be displayed on the screen.  I have no doubt you all are capable of providing this, but without a cooperative effort it won't happen.

 

From our side, your timing is more-or-less right.  We already have the ASN solution working with the 747-400 and 747-8.  We are very very deep in some critical parts of the development cycle, but as we lighten our load a bit, we will likely find some time free to connect the airplane to your capability.  Once we have it in place and stable, we can put it into the stack for the next 777 update as well. 

 

At any rate- you guys can reach out to us when you are ready to give us whatever information we need in order to start working with it...  Just let us know.

 

 

 

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Simple and well said Rob - I dont use those fan dangled fps eating radars but rock on - hope all is well 

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As a fan of both developers, the ice having been broken, I hope a few frosty libations can bridge the divide.

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Awesome.  Now it's time for everyone to blow the top off a few frothies and work together........

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Good news on the offer made by PMDG. B)

 

I have been holding out and hoping that REX would offer a similar solution to ASN, so I am hoping the developers can now get together and work out a good solution.

I would definitely be interested in purchasing a PMDG/REX solution.

 

Cheers,

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