Hi Michel,Perhaps Stephen will wander through latter and give a better answer. I believe you know there is a limit to the amount of autogen FS will display in a given area. I read your suggestion on the BEV forum regarding multiple trees for objects, but that is beyond my expertise.Check out the screenshot gallery on the homepage for shots that should show some pretty good clumps of trees.Edited to remove screen shot.Tony=http://www.flightsim-bevs.com]

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That's $12 per season per region - do the maths! Only cheap if you only fly in one season and one region. I'm afraid my credit card is maxed out after getting the PMDG 747.Bruceb

Welcome to the wonderful world of pricing. Pricing is an art, not a science. It is a ballance of what you need to break even and profit financially and what people are willing to pay for your product. Thus, factors like the number of hours spent on painting and hand-touching up textures, while nice, in the end don't mean a lot if folks are not willing to pay what you think that time is worth. What you need to figure out is what is the maximum that large numbers of people are willing to pay for your product - and then price near that figure. Market research for pricing is notoriously difficult - participants have no incentive to tell you how much they REALLY would be willing to pay because, obviously, they want you to charge less. Witness this entire thread and the subtle, and not so subtle pressure for you to drop your prices. Competition is another factor which must be considered. What is your "position" vs other products. Is it quality? Is your product better than FS Scene? Then you should be charging a price that reflects that. Or is your texture set a value set - a nice little upgrade but not a huge improvement. Then you would set a relatively modest price. PMDG vs. Alphasim is a good comparison. Most of AS's planes are inexpensive - delivering a nice exterior model but very rudimentary panel. PMDG delivers a strong outside appearance as well, but delivers an excellent cockpit. And PMDG charges for that, while AS understands that they appeal to a different buyer with different motivations. It would be useful to know, for instance, just how many copies of MSFS are out there, and of that number, what percentage are true enthusiasts like us at AVSIM vs. the casual user, and then guess how many are likely to buy your product. 10%? 20%? You can then start doing an analysis of where you break even on hard costs (money, not your time), and on return (profits) that will compensate you for your time.AVSIM has 20,000+ forum members - that might not be a bad place to start. It would be helpful to know how many FS.com members there are as well, though there will be duplication. Go with what you think feels right based on your position in the market, the value you feel you deliver, and what will deliver to you a sufficient return if you sell a reasonable number of units. However, you should be prepared to react to market forces and adjust accordingly. Just look at the car companies, and how quickly they all started offering their employee discounts after GM started that little price war. Good luck.

Yep. the free market ruies, nothing new there at all. 300,000 hits in two weeks says it all.CheersDan

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Looks pretty much the same as FSCENE 2004, no? Seems like it to me anyhow.Noel

>Looks pretty much the same as FSCENE 2004, no? Seems like it>to me anyhow.>I see big difference in colors (I think BEV looks much more realistic). Also if I am not mistaken FScene doesn't work with autogen (or it is recommended to turn it off), BEV adds/invents even more and better autogen. Plus less expensive ;)Michael J.WinXP-Home SP2,AMD64 3500+,Abit AV8,Radeon X800Pro,36GB Raptor,1GB PC3200,Audigy 2http://www.precisionmanuals.com/images/forum/747400.jpghttp://www.hifisim.com/images/asv_beta_member.jpg

>Welcome to the wonderful world of pricing. Pricing is an art,>not a science. It is a ballance of what you need to break even>and profit financially and what people are willing to pay for>your product. >>Thus, factors like the number of hours spent on painting and>hand-touching up textures, while nice, in the end don't mean a>lot if folks are not willing to pay what you think that time>is worth. What you need to figure out is what is the maximum>that large numbers of people are willing to pay for your>product - and then price near that figure. >>Market research for pricing is notoriously difficult ->participants have no incentive to tell you how much they>REALLY would be willing to pay because, obviously, they want>you to charge less. Witness this entire thread and the>subtle, and not so subtle pressure for you to drop your>prices. >>Competition is another factor which must be considered. What>is your "position" vs other products. Is it quality? Is your>product better than FS Scene? Then you should be charging a>price that reflects that. Or is your texture set a value set>- a nice little upgrade but not a huge improvement. Then you>would set a relatively modest price. >>PMDG vs. Alphasim is a good comparison. Most of AS's planes>are inexpensive - delivering a nice exterior model but very>rudimentary panel. PMDG delivers a strong outside appearance>as well, but delivers an excellent cockpit. And PMDG charges>for that, while AS understands that they appeal to a different>buyer with different motivations. >>It would be useful to know, for instance, just how many copies>of MSFS are out there, and of that number, what percentage are>true enthusiasts like us at AVSIM vs. the casual user, and>then guess how many are likely to buy your product. 10%? >20%? You can then start doing an analysis of where you break>even on hard costs (money, not your time), and on return>(profits) that will compensate you for your time.>>AVSIM has 20,000+ forum members - that might not be a bad>place to start. It would be helpful to know how many FS.com>members there are as well, though there will be duplication. >>Go with what you think feels right based on your position in>the market, the value you feel you deliver, and what will>deliver to you a sufficient return if you sell a reasonable>number of units. However, you should be prepared to react to>market forces and adjust accordingly. Just look at the car>companies, and how quickly they all started offering their>employee discounts after GM started that little price war. >>Good luck. >>Nicely balanced and intelligent post, thanks for your thoughts. Let me assure you Stephen and I thought long and hard about BEV's pricing model, and in the end we think it's fair and offers value for money.To be honest a couple of family-sized pizzas or a few sub combos cost more than 12 bucks, certainly where I live junk food isn't cheap. So, what's there to lose? Hold off on those pizzas for one night and spend $12. If it's a complete waste of money and the product really sucks - at least you didn't fork out $48 for all 5 seasons.We're priced well below FSCene (and yes, I bought Worldwide Summer for about $110!!, so I'm a customer of Ruud's). At the time, I thought it was OK value since I mainly fly in daylight and in summer seasons.We're enthusiasts, and we spend our pocket money on FS addons. Fact of life. Just an hour ago I bought RealAirSim's Marchetti SF260. Will it be my default plane? Nope. Will I fly it lots? Nope. I just wanted to see what the state-of-the-art in VC's was and I slapped down the $40.Another thing that puzzles me: why is there so many requests for seeing what BEV looks like with just barebones FS9 default? I mean, who flies FS9 with only default visuals anyway (unless you're an IFR flyer and then you wouldn't care about BEV). No, people are hitting our website 1,000 times per hour because most of us love to fly 182RG's, Beavers, Maules etc, LOW and SLOW. BEV is the VFR flyer's wet dream, and VRF flyers almost always will have the latest addons and toys for FS9. Bottom line: $12 is a bargain for the amazing visual upgrade you'll get across ALL of the USA and Canada. Absolute bottom line: most serious simmers spend REAL MONEY on lots of addons like terrain, mesh, airports, aircraft, weather and everything in between.Don't like it? Use Freeware.

>Looks pretty much the same as FSCENE 2004, no? Seems like it>to me anyhow.>>NoelNot to me. I won't buy FS Scene because to my eye the colours look far too gaudy, more like something out of a Rupert annual. BEV's colours are more muted and in my view more realistic............as ever though, it's all very subjective, a bit like the FSV v FE clouds, both look good but discussions continue on which look more realistic.

Liked the website, nicely laid out, and professional. Liked the screen shots, they excite me and I fly only high and fast, but the thought of seeing this beautiful scenery from FL350 and then decending into them is very appealing. Liked the descriptions, clear, straight to the point. Like the idea of a set of global textures that maximize the Autogen abilities of FS9.I'm buying it on the first day.Good job guys.Thanks,Mike T.

It is important to know exactly what add-ons are being used in any picture so you know what you are getting.Thomas

>I offered several compliments regarding this product, as well>as some suggestions prior to their release.>>And if the payware market is so small as you suggest, why are>servers being overloaded here, at PMDG, and now Birdseye? Very>interesting observation you offered there. :-lol :-lol >:-lol>>But I see you were simply out for a Troll and have nothing to>offer to the situation, so enjoy your Troll. :-lol :-lol >:-lol>>Sonar5"lol lol lol"? how old are you? 12? a quick browse of your avsim posts shows a long history of personal attacks against virtually everybody who does not share your point of view. A miracle your account hasn't been suspended yet. and perhaps I should disclose that insulting personal message (which could easily go for a dictionaire of insults) you sent me after my last post. there sure must be a record of that PM in the database here, so I have proof.Btw what you are writing is nonsense ... the servers overloading has nothing to do with the "smalness of the market" - you can have a limit of 1000GB/day and still get overloaded and otoh have a limit of 5GB/day and nothing happens if less people check the site.This is like saying "the ship sank hence too many people must have been on board"and then you don't even stay true to your own opinion --- you got that BEV member crawling up your #### (pardon my language) because he wants to sell something even though you just repeatedly attacked his product --- perhaps he noticed that you change your opinion more frequently than your underwear.and note: as for your postcounter: quantity doesn't equal quality. please do us all a favour and leave this forum and troll someplace else.

<>So am I. The autogen and new textures looks fantastic.John