Really Peter?   

 

I went from no more than 30-32 max throughout all the P3D's that I owned with NVI tweaks, and some .cfg tweaks...(post Nick thread)...to double those FPS figures now.   Yes...yes...wow.

 

Oh, and the sim looks as good as it did with anything before I started to fiddle around with his suggestions, this morning.

Hi..was just talking "tongue in cheek" :smile: yes..It's appreciated when fellow simmers spend time to share their efforts. What I meant is ever since I have been involved in the hobby, I have spent endless hours tweaking and I thought "here we go again in P3D"...Tweaks have never really worked on my limited system and i guess they are very much hardware dependent too....so I just became content with what I have and spend more time flying....if tweaking works for some, then that's great..

Absolutely well said Peter!

 

Innocent folks who enthusiastically sing the "wow song" just don't realize that they get higher frames or better performance just because they have TURNED OFF a bunch of new features of the new sim version!

They have no shadows, no HDR, no traffic, no reflections, minimal shadows, etc. - all because an expert who earlier openly debated how much he disliked P3D - suggest to do so.

 

The "wow singers" more or less fly an FSX now, but they realize nothing of it... very strange and sad at the same time...

 

Potroh

 

 

 

Gawd, this is funny.  I have P3D v2.4 full open....every slider, full to the right.  I run all my sims that way. Nothing was changed from pre (Nick suggestions) FPS of a max of 33 FPS, to easily climbing into the high 70's for most flights (first use of post install suggestions and tips)...and in very dense, (around downtown Detroit) with all ORBX and UTX products in place, now get 45 FPS at the standard mid-point. drops to 33, highs to 75, but mostly runs near 45 FPS, in the worst draw on the sim.

 

Yes...wow...and to suggest that some users are uh..innocent neophytes, that can not figure out that by diminishing settings, will bring up FPS, is well...rather uh...pulling it long?!?!?

 

My pics...and my 'wow' claims, were, and always are...with the sim features sets...not dummied down...apples to apples.  Without Nick's recommendations for P3D usage (read upon that thread, yesterday by myself)...for months...since owning P3D...my constant ceiling with the sim full out, was indeed 30-33 FPS. All my prior (you can view them...) screengrabs only show this.  Now...yawn....40-50-60-70 FPS's at any time....  

 

If I lock down the sim, of which I tried just to see...and kept at 33 FPS...P3D v2.4 full out, never went below that threshold, post Nick suggestions, yesterday and on, forward in usage.

 

So... yea...yes....WOW...let me state that again, for those that didn't hear me..."WOW"....wow......

After I gave the P3D NVI profile the boot and deleted it...after I added what .cfg suggestions NicK stated, after I added in (for H.T. running) an affinity mask that I run with FSX...wow...yes....I sing the wow song.

 

Did I say, "wow'?!?   Well then...I stand behind that single word, post install and modify suggestions....

 

Mitch

Hi..was just talking "tongue in cheek" :smile: yes..It's appreciated when fellow simmers spend time to share their efforts. What I meant is ever since I have been involved in the hobby, I have spent endless hours tweaking and I thought "here we go again in P3D"...Tweaks have never really worked on my limited system and i guess they are very much hardware dependent too....so I just became content with what I have and spend more time flying....if tweaking works for some, then that's great..

Gotcha Peter...thanks for clearing what I thought you were implying after posting.

 

Noted!  Yes...then like you, I smiled again..as I was reading through that other thread...but am always inquisitive...it costs nothing to change a .cfg setting, delete a setting entirely...blah, blah..and then re-boot the system..and see what happens.  Well...for one, I (my hand was shaking...lol) deleted the NVI setting for P3D....I had always used that program with any of the MS-based flight sims...

 

....well...I re-booted, after deleting whatever settings were in play with the NVI P3D profile....did the few .cfg entries...did NOT alter one feature of my settings in the sim...before rebooting the system...and then after the Desktop came back up...fired up v2.4 and well...was stunned to see myself sitting at KFNT, with pre-17-22 FPS...nope...post-77 FPS!   H.S.!

 

So...flew around...then went to an island....set myself up...same 70's....went to Detroit Metro, and took off...flying circles around the downtown...(very heavy objects at my full settings) and blew me away with a well maintained; 45 FPS!!!!    

 

I know there are a lot of persons that feel Nick is sort of sand-under-the-saddle in his communication approach...I know...but the information...he has the mojo on...and that is for sure. When he gives his opinion(s) of settings, usable tweaks, placebo-tweaks...I do 'read/listen.  Glad that thread came up...and glad I decided to act upon those recommendations. It has saved me buying a new vid card...when i now realize, there was and still is, serious juice, left in the GTX 680....just needed to configure P3D to optimum performance.  For the first time, yesterday, I'd say that the sim has arrived to that...

 

Cheers,

 

Mitch/Ses 

I'm not a big fan of NickN but I took a chance and can also confirm that the recommended settings has given me a bit boost in performance. I did not follow all his recommend settings. I still have my shadows and hdr and for the first time ever I can fly in dense clouds with 8x aa and still have good performance.

I'm not a big fan of NickN but I took a chance and can also confirm that the recommended settings has given me a bit boost in performance. I did not follow all his recommend settings. I still have my shadows and hdr and for the first time ever I can fly in dense clouds with 8x aa and still have good performance.

Sorry, but i can't help noticing that the only people to criticise Nick are those who either haven't been around for very long, or have few posts.

For years now, whenever my system starts to misbehave with FSX or the like, I simply reapply Nick's settings, always with the desired result.

In my experience, when folk don't like him, its because he 'shoots from the hip' from both barrels when he talks. Personally, I admire that.

I've never been a fan of Nick, partly because of his terrible attitude but mostly because of lacking knowledge in some area where he thinks he is an authority.

I'm also not a fan of the "my configuration is the only right one and if you do anything else, you're an idiot" kind of approach

From the hyperthread discussion, for example, it should be clear that Prepar3d configuration is not one size fits all.

 

This time Nick recommends setting your texture resolution to 1024x1024, i.e. something that will literally take you 10 years back in time.

And then people think he is a genius for making your Prepar3d go smoother?

Sorry, but i can't help noticing that the only people to criticise Nick are those who either haven't been around for very long, or have few posts.

 

 

I have been around simming for over 30 years now and by that time NickN was still wearing dipers. The fact that i don´t post a lot doesn´t make me an idiot, so give me/us a break please.

 

I agree with tolip2 and unfortunately have found, during my simming years, that the louder people speak about their knowledge, the less they know. I´m sure that NickN is a hell of a guy with a lot of experience but he is not "The simmers God". But with that said, it´s up to every single person to be his disciple or use their own brains.

 

Jack

the Swede in Spain

I've never been a fan of Nick, partly because of his terrible attitude but mostly because of lacking knowledge in some area where he thinks he is an authority.

I'm also not a fan of the "my configuration is the only right one and if you do anything else, you're an idiot" kind of approach

From the hyperthread discussion, for example, it should be clear that Prepar3d configuration is not one size fits all.

 

This time Nick recommends setting your texture resolution to 1024x1024, i.e. something that will literally take you 10 years back in time.

And then people think he is a genius for making your Prepar3d go smoother?

Well...I have always run that feature as high (2048x2048) and did not change it, and after a reboot...went at my FBO (KFNT) over an 120 percent increase, in FPS.  

 

I can't speak for anybody else's system/setup...but when I tweak/twack...I always try .cfg settings, rather than to adjust an in-sim setting, lower than what I normally like for myself.  I always wanted to remove any FPS increase benefit, that would obviously be had, by reducing the load on the CPU/GPU. I think that if anybody is inquisitive about Nick's suggested (and only those...) .cfg file additions or figure tweaks...they should do this...(also, perhaps delete the P3D NVI profile as he suggests it basically (for P3D that is...) does nothing, but does everything to draw down performance, not increase it))  BUT leave everything as they had it in P3D(x) before the Nick Mods...   That's the only way you can see if there is an FPS difference in the normal places and scenarios you frequent. As I said...it was MORE than night and day for myself. I realize now, (obviously), that any or all settings I had set in the P3D NVI profile page, was detrimental, not advantageous... for P3D usage.  I had always assumed it was 'helping' me 'get' those 33 FPS max...and if it was not set...who knows what low figure I would have had, without NVI set to 'recommended-over-the years' settings.   

 

I never for the life of me...was expecting the tremendously, exact opposite!

 

I am now looking at FSX-boxed, and want to see truly by deleting its NVI profile...and only by deleting it...what my re-booted (I always reboot) system running FSX-boxed will give me. I then will go from there.  I have never seen on my system (with the same in-sim settings) anything close to 45 FPS, let alone my seeing in my many old-haunt places...my banging the door in the 80's range.  So...old dogs (me), CAN learn new tricks...by keeping an open mind...reading, trying this, trying that....some are degrading, some are truly placebo...and some..(as in my case on this subject), was in-your-face, jaw dropping...

 

My posts on this thread are not to defend or critique Nick N's communication style(s). He has the right as we all have to speak our thoughts on the Hobby. I get that to some, he does come across as his knowledge is the ONLY knowledge...his way..or the hobby high way. Yep..I can read into that as well. I am only wanting to state here...that after TAKING his suggestions to the sim (P3D), did I see that (well for myself, my system) he was right on his game...right on the money.  Yeah..I'm ecstatic over the result.

 

All good....

 

Cheers,

 

Now..out for to change the oil in the bike...go for a ride...add fuel preserver, ride some more...and later on tonight...come back to P3D v2.4.nick, and enjoy the FPS that I now have. Oh...BTW...everybody is right...FPS DO MATTER beyond 30 FPS.   Actually, I was over that island (one of the pics I posted) and, now was over-controlling the aircraft--- the C377...because now, I had (at 70 FPS) INSTANT controller response as well as greater distance traveled per second of forward animation.....that no longer takes as much input from my yoke and rudders. I could have shot a laugh-in video...of my looking like I was drunk up there!  )))  So...high-maintained sim FPS does matter...and I can finally say that for myself...I experienced it....

 

Again, thanks Nick N. for your comments and recommendations upon the other forum thread, as regards P3D(x).  I now consider my version of P3D,... as v2.4.NickN, the version where I can post screengrabs of 45 FPS and up...any time of the day/scene, lol.

 

Mitch'er

Gawd, this is funny.

If I lock down the sim, of which I tried just to see...and kept at 33 FPS...P3D v2.4 full out, never went below that threshold, post Nick suggestions, yesterday and on, forward in usage.

 

Did I say, "wow'?!?   Well then...I stand behind that single word, post install and modify suggestions....

 

Mitch

Funny indeed...

Funny that many people only care about is their measurable fps.

Funny that they seem to be happy after eliminating more than half of the specific and new graphic featuires of P3D, they are still happily wowing.

Apart from the HT or not HT debate all Nick's guide does is suggesting turning off features he doesn't like or considers to be important...

Wow...

Sorry, but i can't help noticing that the only people to criticise Nick are those who either haven't been around for very long, or have few posts.

Knocking a wrong door my buddy...

I was one of the guilty to mildly criticize, with only 48 post to my credit.

But I was doing addons for the company Nick does well before he probably did any FS work, I have 42 (soon 43) commercial FS addons behind me.

 

Well yes, silence is golden and there quite a few knowledgable ones here who rarely post but they know the subject inside out...

Funny indeed...

Funny that many people only care about is their measurable fps.

Funny that they seem to be happy after eliminating more than half of the specific and new graphic featuires of P3D, they are still happily wowing.

Apart from the HT or not HT debate all Nick's guide does is suggesting turning off features he doesn't like or considers to be important...

Wow...

Was just about to head outside...but to answer, I just didn't read into, him suggesting turning anything off...I did read that he does for his own viewing and performance requirements. I did not read in that forum thread, that he stated the reader should also turn off what he, in his sim-usage, considers merely, ballast features.

 

...and yes...from a guy who only ever had a high peak of 33 FPS in the v2.x series...and, now as as result of his suggestions for the .cfg file..and to not use NVI for P3D, at all...yes..I can finally see with my own experience what other's have always said...from those that could get 45 or higher FPS...that it does matter...that the physics of flight is better enacted within the sim.  I see that now. I had to modify my controller input behaviors as a direct result of now getting 50 to 120 percent higher FPS sustained, than I had ever had since buying into P3D.

 

I was of the opinion, that like T.V....if you get 30 FPS, you can see no greater benefit in flight simming.  I could not have been more wrong on that assumption...since now having the ability to enjoy those groovy new FPS obtains....

 

I can see why some people very much care about what max FPS their simming experience, can render.  Yep..I'm now with the program....

 

Be back with you guys and gals, later on tonight....a sunny day by the Great Lakes...and for November,...pretty darn mild...(translation: still biking weather, lol!)

 

Cheers,

 

Ses

Sorry guys but I don't understand how one can comment Nick N's guide before it is available.

Sorry guys but I don't understand how one can comment Nick N's guide before it is available.

The complete guide is not up but he has made available a small part which has help me and a few more people

Just applied your recommendations!

Amazing!

Thanks Nick.

This has transformed my P3D experience.

Never thought I could have autogen so high!

It's now a visual treat and buttery smooth.

Jay

 

I agree with tolip2 and unfortunately have found, during my simming years, that the louder people speak about their knowledge, the less they know. 

 

 

Well that's a crazy statement   :smile:

I find it helps to read any of these "guides" with a healthy side helping of skepticism. But, really...what's the harm in at least trying them and judging for yourself? I haven't seen anything that can't be undone.