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I recieved a $100 gift cerificate for Steam. I've had X-Plane 10 in my wish list for a while, its a bit pricey. Is different from MSFSX? Is it better? Or is my money better spent on planes for MSFSX, or something else? Any thoughts are welcome.

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Hi,

 

This thread will start a flame wars MFS vs. XP

 

In any case, MFSX is dead software already. The "evolution" of FSX would be Prepar3D. So you should really decide between P3D or XP.

FSX Steam Edition is just FSX with the two Service Packs and a couple bug fixes, as far as I know.

 

XP is great for its flight dynamics. XP also looks great out of the box and there's lots of freeware sceneries that will make it look even better. XP also runs on Windows, Mac and Linux and is a 64-bit application, these are important things to know and consider because FSX only runs on Windows and is 32-bit, which means it can only use up to 4GB or RAM and therefore it might run out of memory (OOM nightmare).

 

FSX/P3D is great for the number and quality of add-on aircraft, airports, scenery etc. available. The best addon aircraft released for the general public are, as of today, available on FSX/P3D. You can make it look really great if you put in the bucks.

 

 

Below find my personal opinion:

 

X-Plane is the better "FLIGHT SIMULATOR". The problem with XP is the lack of third party add-ons. This is changing very rapidly though, there's a large and ever growing community of users at X-Plane.org.

 

Many users, such as myself, use BOTH simulators actively.

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In any case, MFSX is dead software already.

 

Based on the activity on AVSIM and products being released I would say that MSFSX is far from dead. 

 

As for FSX Steam or XPlane.  I would recommend that you download the XPlane demo.  I don't know if there are differences between it and XPlane Steam, but it will give you a great opportunity to experience what it is like.

 

The FSX demo is still available if you want to give it a try.  Again, not the Steam version and the Steam version should run better, but it will give you something to use for comparison with the XPlane demo.

 

In any event, unless the gift certificate is dated I would sit on it a bit.  Steam has frequent sales on FSX and you can pick it up for less then $10 USD during one.  XPlane also goes on sale, but not as frequently. 

 

Ernie

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I would also lobby you to try the X-Plane 10 demo before purchasing. X-Plane is a different beast with different strengths and weaknesses when compared against the MSFS family, so seeing how you like it is probably a good idea before making the purchase.

 

It's ALSO worth noting that it would appear there is a sale kicking off right now on Steam for FSX:SE (Steam Edition) as well as various addons which might influence your decision also.

 

Do you currently have FSX:Steam Edition, or FSX:Original? Note that FSX:SE is visually identical to FSX. FSX:SE has better memory management than FSX, and some state that it operates a bit smoother with fewer crashes. I tend to agree with that sentiment.

 

Either way - that's a nice gift certificate. Don't forget about Steam's other titles and platforms, too - they've got some good entertaining games in there!

 

-Greg

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Based on the activity on AVSIM and products being released I would say that MSFSX is far from dead. 

 

 

 

Hi Ernie! 

 

A piece of software is said to be dead when there's no official support for it and development has been discontinued. It has nothing to do with the number of users still using the software. That's the case of FSX.

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P3D is not an option, the don't sell it on Steam. I have the Steam Edition of FSX. I actually had the retail boxed version, and just got the Steam Edition just because I built a new machine and it was cheap and easy. I had it and loved every version, it just that I was interested in what Xplane was like. I just built a new machine 64Gb, ASUS ROG Rampage V Intel MB, 2 GTX 980's, so machine is not a problem. I have to see if I can Demo it on Steam. Since I will use a gift certificate, I'll probably do it. I'm sure I'll use both.

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P3D is not an option, the don't sell it on Steam. I have the Steam Edition of FSX. I actually had the retail boxed version, and just got the Steam Edition just because I built a new machine and it was cheap and easy. I had it and loved every version, it just that I was interested in what Xplane was like. I just built a new machine 64Gb, ASUS ROG Rampage V Intel MB, 2 GTX 980's, so machine is not a problem. I have to see if I can Demo it on Steam. Since I will use a gift certificate, I'll probably do it. I'm sure I'll use both.

 

The FSX:SE is so cheap that you really lose nothing if you don't like it in the end.

 

As for X-Plane, as mentioned above, get the Demo version and try it out!

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I would like to share my experience. I've been an FSX user for numerous years. Spent a lot of money on making the sim as it should be and thought I'll never look away.

 

I've bought X plane 4 months ago. Only two weeks ago was I courageous enough to give it a spin. The UI is clunky and weird, the ATC is pathetic and useless and all the stock planes look like crap. But they fly and feel great and once you experience the flight dynamics of X plane you honestly can't ignore the on rail feeling of FSX. My biggest problem with X plane is the poor ATC implementation. I'm seriously considering trying VATSIM.

 

What makes FSX a better candidate is the huge amount of quality addons which I use ( ORBX, PMDG, RealAir, VOXatc etc ). But even with all that I haven't been able to boot up FSX after I tried X plane because it now feels like a toy instead of a flight sim :/

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Personally, I have a lot of sims, all happily co-existing on my pc(s). XP10, FSX:Steam, 'Boxed' FSX, Flight, DCS, Falcon BMS, Flightgear... There's no real reason why one has to limit themselves to any particular sim.

 

Plus, if you have a $100 gift card and you're trying to choose between FSX and XP10 on Steam, well, just wait until a sale, buy both, and have enough left over for a bunch of other games.

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I recieved a $100 gift cerificate for Steam. I've had X-Plane 10 in my wish list for a while, its a bit pricey. Is different from MSFSX? Is it better? Or is my money better spent on planes for MSFSX, or something else? Any thoughts are welcome.

This is very easy, the answer is: both

 

You wait for a sale, FSX is $5, and X-Plane $29.99.

 

Still plenty of $$ left for other games or add-ons. Also if you want to try one out you can get the demos of X-Plane, then you can know if you will buy the two or just one.

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Personally, I have a lot of sims, all happily co-existing on my pc(s). XP10, FSX:Steam, 'Boxed' FSX, Flight, DCS, Falcon BMS, Flightgear... There's no real reason why one has to limit themselves to any particular sim.

 

Plus, if you have a $100 gift card and you're trying to choose between FSX and XP10 on Steam, well, just wait until a sale, buy both, and have enough left over for a bunch of other games.

Ditto

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I think this is very recent, but FSX and a bunch of addons are on sale on Steam for "March Madness", so it's $7.49. 

 

I have been using Microsoft flight sims for years. After using MS flight sims for so long, I find it very difficult to use X-Plane. The views and controls are, IMO, terrible in comparison. FSX is much easier to use. That said, X-Plane is gorgeous, and it certainly runs smoother with better eye candy. Also, the flight model in X-Plane is fantastic, at least for GA aircraft. Something about airliners in X-Plane feels off to me.

 

I haven't picked up X-Plane yet, I base this off of the demo and a friend of mine who owns it. FSX is definitely worth it at $7.49. As others have said, if X-Plane goes on sale, there's no reason to not pick it up as well after you try the demo.  

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To be clear I've had a version of FSX for years. When I put my new machine together Steam had FSX for $9.99, at that price it was easier just to add it to my Steam account. X Plane has been at $59.99 for months. But, it is found money, so to speak, and it looks really cool. I've got the 2 GTX 980's now, which is a real incentive. I need a little push is all, I'm in.

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You can return games on Steam if you use them for under 2 hours.

Just buy XP10 and fly around for an hour. The differences from FSX will be pretty readily apparent and they'll either bother you or they won't. 

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My biggest problem with X plane is the poor ATC implementation.

 

There are plug ins for sale now that allow you to use Radar Contact or PFE/PF3 with X-Plane. The place where it's still lacking is in a plug and play AI traffic program. There is one in development right now.

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Which ever route you take, you should if you can, wait to spend that gift certificate until Steam has another one of their big sales, they have periodically during the year. I don't know about X-Plane, but DTG has 50-80% sales during these times. You can really get a good bang for your money. When I bought FSX-Steam, it was 80% off and I got it for $5.00. 

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Personally I would wait until DTG flightsim comes out at the end of the year, if you can be patient for that long!

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Allthough FSX:SE is great, I would go for X-Plane or as scotchegg says, wait for DTG flightsim.

 

Flying through clouds in X-Plane is just awesome. You really feel the 3D effect, and to date it's the only sim where I had a feeling of flying. It does take som e time and a lot of freeware addons to get it where one is  happy with it, but once you are there it is hard to ignore it.

Plus there seem to be more quality payware addons on the way.

 

I still use P3D for tubeliners, but that's only because the ATC in X-Plane sucks.

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Waiting for DTG, and giving a go to their Flight School tittle would be my option.

 

Or, as some have pointed out, buying FSX:SE for just $5 like it sometimes sells is a really a great deal...

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Guys, r you really lamenting on spending ca. 50 $ from a FREE voucher??? (not to say suggest to waiting

for a non released title)

 

Are you serious? :fool:

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I run FSX & X-Plane. Have for a long time. Contrary to some reports, X-Plane doesn't have better flight dynamics, isn't more of a flight simulator, and FSX is far, far from dead. As I've said, probably hundreds of times over the years, the description of  "flying on rails", doesn't mean much of anything. FSX does not fly on rails.  I personally wouldn't give up FSX for X-Plane, because some of the best third party aircraft flight dynamics I've ever experienced, are produced for FSX/P3D.  However, there are good models for X-Plane too. Just don't believe the hype, that X-Plane is truer when it comes to flight. I was a long time pilot, including high performance, and aerobatics, semi-high performance/aerobatic plane owner, etc.   In the end, get both if possible, as they are different in many respects. 

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I have and use FSX, P3D and XP10. I would mirror what a lot of people are saying, which is they all have their pros and cons. For me, it's all about the add-on aircraft and FSX/P3D gets a huge win in this area. Even the supposedly high fidelity add-ons for XP10 leave a lot to be desired. Nothing on XP10 really compares to the offerings from PMDG, A2A Simulations or Majestic. Not to say that all the add-ons are bad for XP10, but there are none that I would call great.

 

Also, the flight model in FSX/P3D may not be as good(I don't know for sure), but all the developers I mentioned above use their own flight model so it's not an important point really.

 

XP10 is definitely the better application, but I find myself enjoying P3D the most with FSX a close 2nd. I'd wait for DTG to come out before making any big move though. It's not cheap to fully switch over to a new sim.

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When I look at X-Plane 10, the major thing that it has over FSX is it's global lighting. 

 

When you fly into an airport in XPX, you see tarmac lights actually cast light, light up aircraft, etc. It's a big immersion breaker flying at night in FSX and pulling up to a tarmac only to see total darkness around the light texture. The night lighting of cities also, because of this environment, is just absolutely killer compared to FSX/P3D.

 

In regards to FSX vs. XPX in other areas, you are also going to miss a ton of shadowing options (that are present in P3D though), volumetric fog, and of course 64 bits.

 

Again, P3D makes most of that ground up by having it's own volumetric fog and greatly improved VAS usage even being 32bit.

 

IMO, I'd use the voucher on XPX just to try something different, maybe use it to fly at night, etc. Then buy P3D when you get the money. 

Those that still use FSX are missing out on a good amount, even though they are loathe to admit they see it. 

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I was an Xplane 10 user for about a month and then I went back to FSX SE before buying P3D v2. I like Xplane. flight dynamics are a bit more realistic and the scenery looks great but the payware stuff was lacking. I bought the A320 for it which by far is my favorite jet to fly in Xplane. I bought the Worldliner 777 and was not impressed at all. It may fly almost realistic like its real world counterpart but I've been so used to PMDG that I couldn't get into this version of the 777. Bought Xplane on Steam so there it sits in my virtual steam cloud waiting to be downloaded and installed but that won't happen. I run P3D v3 now but recently went back to MSFSX Acceleration since downloading FSX SE will take crap ton of time on this stupid internet connection... Currently using Acceleration because I really didn't feel like buying addons that would work in P3D v3 that I already have for FSX. At some point I will but I want my purchases to be geared more towards getting hardware setup for my simulator.

So if you want almost unlimited amount of payware addons, I'd stick with FSX or go P3D. If you want realistic flight go with Xplane.

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