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No teasing allowed. Havnt  been able to fly my favorite aircraft since going to Prepar3D.  The sacrifices we make.

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No teasing allowed. Havnt  been able to fly my favorite aircraft since going to Prepar3D.  The sacrifices we make.

I fly it everyday in P3D! It works like a champ, and it looks even better since I downloaded a VC update pack to make the flight deck more up to par with newer aircraft.

 

 

He's upset because you're using it in P3D.

Are we not suppose to or something?

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You not only posted a photo clearly showing that you are illegally using the MD-11 in P3D, but did it in PMDG's own forum. You've got chutzpah, I'll give you that!

 

Makes no difference to me one way or the other, but your photo is probably ill-advised....

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You not only posted a photo clearly showing that you are illegally using the MD-11 in P3D, but did it in PMDG's own forum. You've got chutzpah, I'll give you that!

 

Makes no difference to me one way or the other, but your photo is probably ill-advised....

Well, okay. Wasn't aware that using the MD-11 in P3D... It works fine after tweaking it a bit, and I don't use FSX anymore. Just didn't want to abandon this beautiful bird.

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Well, okay. Wasn't aware that using the MD-11 in P3D... It works fine after tweaking it a bit, and I don't use FSX anymore. Just didn't want to abandon this beautiful bird.

I do understand! I love the MD-11, and wish I could use it in P3D myself. But, PMDG is very strict about their licensing terms. The MD-11 was licensed only for FSX, and cannot be used in P3D, even if it can be made to install by using the migration tool, or by other means. It's unfortunate, because it is no longer being sold even for FSX, so there is no chance of ever seeing an authorized P3D version.

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I do understand! I love the MD-11, and wish I could use it in P3D myself. But, PMDG is very strict about their licensing terms. The MD-11 was licensed only for FSX, and cannot be used in P3D, even if it can be made to install by using the migration tool, or by other means. It's unfortunate, because it is no longer being sold even for FSX, so there is no chance of ever seeing an authorized P3D version.

Wow, that's a bummer :sad: Truly is one of the most majestic planes out there, and being a former UPS manager who worked the graveyard shift on the ramp, I have a particular weakness for the MD-11 (especially in that livery!)

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I do understand! I love the MD-11, and wish I could use it in P3D myself. But, PMDG is very strict about their licensing terms. The MD-11 was licensed only for FSX, and cannot be used in P3D, even if it can be made to install by using the migration tool, or by other means. It's unfortunate, because it is no longer being sold even for FSX, so there is no chance of ever seeing an authorized P3D version.

I hate to add insult to injury but that migration tool (who shall not be named) is causing quite a stir in the fs world.  I avoided it like the plague despite the fact that I would love to be able to use the PMDG 747 in P3D...I miss flying THAT bird...I'll be patient though and wait for v2. :)

 

-Jim

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I fly it everyday in P3D! It works like a champ, and it looks even better since I downloaded a VC update pack to make the flight deck more up to par with newer aircraft.

 

I say congrats on enjoying your magnificent bird. She sure is beautiful. I have a soft spot for her too. Never really figured out what it is. The 3 holer, the winglets, or the fact the cockpit is just different to the other big 2 companies.

 

I have gone to the trouble of having FSX and P3D installed side by side so I can seamlessly move from one sim to the other if I feel like the 777 or the MD-11 on that day. The other day I was in Sydney and saw UPS34 did a big loop nice and low from where we were by chance as she lined up for runway 16R I guess. It looked great.

 

I will stay out of the FSX vs P3D debate but would love to know more about this VC upgrade but with the iron fist PMDG rule over such things may get us both banned and don't want any trouble, so just go back and enjoy that bird!

 

Hayden Chapman

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This whole "stiring up of the hornet's nest" could have been easily avoided if you'd cropped the image a little. Nobody would have been able to tell (unless they did a CSI kind of analysis of the screenshot...)

 

Regarding the topic itself: It's definitely a beautiful aircraft. I love the MD-11 and the DC-10. I also have to say that the L-1011 is a better ship :)

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Are we not suppose to or something?

 

 

No. This is in violation of the EULA that specifically states that the product is only for FSX.

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No. This is in violation of the EULA that specifically states that the product is only for FSX.

Yes, just yes.

 

People still fail to understand that purchasing an aircraft for use in a sim does not mean that the user owns the aircraft, they purchase a license to use the aircraft in the specified sim.  Usage outside of that sim, if not explicitly stated by the developer, is a violation.  I believe this is stated rather clearly in the EULA, which I would suspect, not many read these days.

 

-Jim

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I believe this is stated rather clearly in the EULA, which I would suspect, not many read these days

 

If you're a software designer you should assume that NOBODY will read your EULA, READMEs etc

 

The user will NOT read your warning messages. You have to put aural "BONGS!" and big fat exclamation marks for him to pay some attention (maybe).

 

I'm not pointing at the OP particularly by the way. I'm the first one that never reads EULAs, maybe scan them in a "diagonal reading". (come on, most people never do).

 

HOWEVER: Not reading or knowing about the rule does not exempt you from complying with it. This a general rule of thumb in "law".

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If only there were a way that when software is being installed, that it checks to see if the sim specified matches the designed parameters (i.e installing a fsx-only aircraft into P3D would cause installer to cease running).

 

-Jim

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If only there were a way that when software is being installed, that it checks to see if the sim specified matches the designed parameters (i.e installing a fsx-only aircraft into P3D would cause installer to cease running).

 

-Jim

It is what it is I guess.

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If only there were a way that when software is being installed, that it checks to see if the sim specified matches the designed parameters (i.e installing a fsx-only aircraft into P3D would cause installer to cease running).

 

-Jim

 

This is present in the 737NGX and 777 lineups.

 

When I bought the -300ER expansion for P3D, I accidentally clicked my FSX installer instead, and it detected that my sim is not FSX and shut itself down. I installed using the correct P3D installer and the 300ER loaded without any problems. 

 

I'd assume that it's not present in the MD-11 installer because at that time, P3D did not exist. It was FSX and ESP. 

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No. This is in violation of the EULA that specifically states that the product is only for FSX.

Um, Kyle,  didn't PMDG tell it's 1900 C/D customers on how to put that bird into FSX from FS9? http://support.precisionmanuals.com/kb/a82/how-do-i-import-the-1900c-and-1900d-into-flight-simulator-x.aspx You guys also said if it was done there would be no support on it. 

NOTICE - these methods are an unsupported way to use these products in FSX. They were not designed for FSX and they are not marketed as being compatible with FSX. If you experience any issues using these products in FSX, there is nothing we can do via our official support process.

 

Not trying to agree or disagree with you, just trying to figure out what all the chest banging is about when it was allowed in the past?

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Um, Kyle,  didn't PMDG tell it's 1900 C/D customers on how to put that bird into FSX from FS9? http://support.preci...imulator-x.aspx You guys also said if it was done there would be no support on it. 

 

We did, but both FS9 and FSX were in the same scope of software. Prepar3D does not exist in the entertainment realm as FSX and FS9 do (P3D is an evolution of ESP, not FSX). There are associated challenges in operating in the latter, though some choose to ignore this (i.e. don't come back with "well X does, Y!!!"), or do not have the same issues (e.g. weather devs do not require a license from Mother Nature).

 

Perhaps it's best to leave the actual legalities and so on to the people who know the intricacies of them instead of trying to point out supposed inconsistencies. In a similar vein, one might think it would be telling to see a developer offer ways of using an older product in a new platform, yet be so incredibly strict about using it in another. One might assume that there's a good reason for that.

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That's no problem Kyle, I thought P3D and FSX were pretty much the same beast. And please don't take offense to what I stated, as me defending what others are trying to do. I am a staunch supporter of PMDG, I am trying (and losing miserably at it ) and hoping you guys will someday resurrect the MD-11 into P3D. I know what has been stated in the past about it, but I do have my fingers crossed. Also thanks for your very professional way of telling me to hush. Lol enjoy your weekend.

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Also thanks for your very professional way of telling me to hush.

 

 

I'm sorry. After continuously answering the same forum lawyering about P3D, it gets really old, and my patience for it suffers. People are completely out of their league when trying to understand the realm that P3D operates in. Quite a number of people in this hobby seem to flatly reject this crazy notion that P3D isn't what they think it is. If some of you don't believe me, go talk to a lawyer about it.

 

 

 

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I hid a few posts here as well. Partly for being unsigned, and partly for getting into the legalities of an EULA (and responses to that tangent). This forum isn't here to discuss legal issues. The EULA exists. It limits your ability to use the software in ways specifically outlined by the language that it contains. Don't use the software outside of the license agreement provided. Pretty simple stuff.

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