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Are there any AVSIM simmers who have the Lionheart Trinidad TB21? Can you please post your opinions.

 

I'm interested in buying and adding the RXP GNS 430 & 530.

 

Looks like a nice alternative to the JF version and it's currently priced right.  :smile: 

 

TKS

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I have the Lionheart TB21 and I really like it and, despite having a large amount of addon pay ware aircraft, I find myself flying it more than I expected! I suspect that part of the reason for this might be that the cockpit design is just that little bit different to the Cessnas, Pipers and Beechcraft that I am so familiar with (a bit like French cars many of which have slightly quirky dashboards and controls!).

 

Overall Lionheart have modelled this extremely well from a visual viewpoint both inside and out. In my opinion the Trinidad is one of the most beautiful looking singles out there and Lionheart have replicated this perfectly with their external model, with good detail and textures and a number of colour schemes to choose from (as well as the ability to vary the number of passengers visible in the external model).

 

The VC has also been beautifully modelled and virtually every switch, button etc is functional. I was surprised to find when I bought this a few weeks ago that despite this aircraft having a constant speed prop, there was no manifold pressure gauge, but there is a download available from LH to remedy this. The other minor issue I have is that although there is an ADF on/off switch present, there is no ADF! I suspect however that this may not bother most simmers who probably never use this archaic instrument but having learned to fly in the RW in the pre-GPS days, I still like to play with the ADF occasionally!

 

Flight dynamics appear to be very close to what would be expected and sound quality, both internal and external, is good. A manual, clickable from the cockpit, is available providing checklists and a reasonable amount of information although there appears to be one error in the manifold pressure recommended during climb at 38 inches, which is way above the maximum permitted!

 

As you probably know it comes with a GNS430 and GPS500, which may be functional although I have to admit I have not used these as I have been flying it with the GTN750. It seems fully compatible with the 750, so hopefully you would find the same if you add the RXP units.

 

Overall however I am very happy with this aircraft and would be happy to recommend it at the normal asking price, but I note that it is 50% off at the moment, which makes it fantastic value for a very good product. I can't compare the LH Trinidad with the JF product as I don't have it, but on the basis of having purchased quite a few JF products for FSX over the years, my only comment would be that the quality of JF products can be variable.

 

Bill

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Bought this little beauty 2 days ago and can't stay away. She's been up at least six times and is joy to fly. Lionheart has done a magnificent job of modelling, both in and out.

A steal at this discounted price--buy her, you will love her.

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Sure would like to purchase but from what i have heard it  will not work with DX10.

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Sure would like to purchase but from what i have heard it  will not work with DX10.

Sorry I can't help you with that Carl, as I uninstalled DX10 from FSX about a year ago.

 

Bill

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I love this plane and been flying it since it came out. Cant get enough of it. It doesn't work in DX10 but I fly P3D so not a issue.

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As you probably know it comes with a GNS430 and GPS500, which may be functional although I have to admit I have not used these as I have been flying it with the GTN750. It seems fully compatible with the 750, so hopefully you would find the same if you add the RXP units.

 

 

 

Bill, have you managed to fit the GTN into the panel, or are you using it as a popup?

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Hi Bert. No, I'm afraid I took the lazy way out and just use it as a popup!

 

Bill

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Hi Bert. No, I'm afraid I took the lazy way out and just use it as a popup!

 

Bill

 

OK, in that case I think I will bet on the JustFlight version.. it comes with an integrated GTN 650.

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OK, in that case I think I will bet on the JustFlight version.. it comes with an integrated GTN 650.

 

It does and I really like the JF version.  I also bought the LH version, but have not tried it out yet.  When I do, I will be using the GTN750 pop-up.  I know it works well with it and LH says that they are not considering putting it into the VC.

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It does and I really like the JF version.  I also bought the LH version, but have not tried it out yet.  When I do, I will be using the GTN750 pop-up.  I know it works well with it and LH says that they are not considering putting it into the VC.

Oh good to see someone has both versions! Would be nice to see a brief comparison between the LH and JF versions when you get a chance please.

 

Bill

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I'm interested in buying and adding the RXP GNS 430 & 530.

 

Can't really offer much of an opinion about the LH TB-21, as I only have (and enjoy) the recent JF TB-10 & TB-20 release. Ideally, it'd be complementary to the JF release, since it's a bit more sporty with that turbo-charged Lycoming.

 

However, I really can't recommend anyone buying the RXP units, now that Flight1 has released their GNS 430 & 530's. If you already had them, or you have other releases that you're dying to put them in, I suppose, but since they're pretty much abandonware at this point, I would really hesitate in buying them new.

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No support for the GTN 750, GNS 430/530, and no support from Bert. :smile:  All bad signs IMO at any price.

 

One would think that for $30 (regular price) you would at least get GTN 750 support. Too bad!

 

I'm waiting to see how the JF matures before adding it to my hangar.

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No support for the GTN 750, GNS 430/530, and no support from Bert. :smile:  All bad signs IMO at any price.

 

One would think that for $30 (regular price) you would at least get GTN 750 support. Too bad!

 

I'm waiting to see how the JF matures before adding it to my hangar.

 

I have both the JF Trinidad 10 & 20 and the LH TB21-GT and have to say that the LH is way better by all means. The JF version has a faulty modeled AP (namely the KAP150) that doesn't allow to control either the pitch or the VS of the aircraft, just the Altitude after you, by manual control actions, reach your desired altitude. In addition to this important issue with the faulty vertical mode control, with the LH TB21 you have 22 repaints. I have my JF Trinidad versions parked at my hangar, until a patch is released to correct the vertical mode control.

I suggest those eventually interested in buying the JF Trinidad to have a look at the JF forums to have a better idea of what to expect from this product.

Regretfully, LH has stated that they don't have any plans to do a VC panel integration for the GTN750/650, and recommends to have it as a pop-up, using the GTN Tool provided by F1.

Cheers, Ed

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JF is actively working on an autopilot fix.

 

The latest test version I have seen is solid.   :smile:

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JF is actively working on an autopilot fix.

 

The latest test version I have seen is solid.   :smile:

 

Good to know. Thanks.

Cheers, Ed

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Here is my reply to your post on our own forum:

 

Apologies for the late reply, I have just returned from holiday.

 
The KAP 150 autopilot functionality is as per the real thing. With ALT mode off the autopilot will hold the currently selected pitch, which can be adjusted using the UP/DN rocker switch. With ALT mode on the autopilot will hold the current altitude unless the UP/DN rocker switch is used, in which case it will hold a +500ft/min climb (UP) or -500ft/min descent (DN). 
 
In the VC you need to left-click and hold to move the rocker switch to the DN (down) position and right-click and hold to move the rocker switch to the UP position. The mouse-wheel cannot be used. For the 2D panel, left-click and hold on either the DN or UP section of the rocker switch. 
 
There is one issue with the KAP 150 pitch hold that will be fixed in an upcoming update. That issue prevents pitch hold from re-engaging if ALT mode is engaged and then subsequently disengaged.

 

Hopefully that single issue isn't enough to ruin the experience of the entire product, but in any case it will be addressed by an update in the coming days.

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Here is my reply to your post on our own forum:

 

 

Hopefully that single issue isn't enough to ruin the experience of the entire product, but in any case it will be addressed by an update in the coming days.

 

Hi Martyn, read your post at JF Forums. Your answer is a bit different than previous ones from JF, thanks for that, and I'll check in sim a bit later today. Keep you posted about this at the JF Forums.

Thanks again, Ed

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I'm waiting patiently for the JF version to mature. I really appreciate that Martyn has taken an active role on our beloved AVSIM to get feedback and to improve his add-on.

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Hi Martyn, read your post at JF Forums. Your answer is a bit different than previous ones from JF, thanks for that, and I'll check in sim a bit later today. Keep you posted about this at the JF Forums.

Thanks again, Ed

 

Now it flyes beautifully, AP vertical control mode is OK.

Cheers, Ed

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I can't lean the mixture - no CHT, fuel flow etc response - assuming you can lean a turbocharged engine? 

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Thanks for the info.  I saw it as soon as Steve put it out, then bought the TB  while it was on sale.  It now works great with DX10.

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I took a chance on the LH TB21 and here are my thoughts.

 

There is no way to adapt the RXP gns units, the plane flies like an ms default model, the sounds are not very good, and the default gns units are not even assigned properly. A third VOR is included when it isn't needed. The dev should have replaced it with the ECH Readouts and connected GNS 530 to HSI & GNS 430 to VOR 2. The pdf manual has to be updated to reflect the update.

 

On the positive side, it looks good both inside and outside day or night, there are many liveries & VC colors to choose from, and performance is great.

 

For some this could be a good value. For me is just another regretful purchase.

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