I mean when you use the cyclic for rol. Response is over sensitive, as if the helicopter had no inertia, and you can easily "snap-roll" with it ... Try that in DCS... Not possible.

 

NOT THE CYCLIC but when using the collective , if the rotor is clockwise the heli should have that opposite reaction that one.

NOT THE CYCLIC but when using the collective , if the rotor is clockwise the heli should have that opposite reaction that one.

 

jcomm is talking about a separate issue on the roll axis, not related to the one you're talking about (I think).

jcomm is talking about a separate issue on the roll axis, not related to the one you're talking about (I think).

 

Ya looks like

Yes, there are different issues.

 

Zulfi has mentioned to me that one regarding the effects of collective, but I can't really complain much about it since I used a small slider in my T16000 to control collective...

 

I decided to use the keyboard instead ( F3 / F4 ) because I find it more precise.

 

But I was indeed talking about the overdone effect of cyclic roll.

I hope they have improved the ADF/VOR range vs height.

Right now in X-Plane 10 I can often receive VOR's hundreds of NM out at 1000 as well as 30000+ feet altitude.

Yes, there are different issues.

 

Zulfi has mentioned to me that one regarding the effects of collective, but I can't really complain much about it since I used a small slider in my T16000 to control collective...

 

I decided to use the keyboard instead ( F3 / F4 ) because I find it more precise.

 

But I was indeed talking about the overdone effect of cyclic roll.

 

I'm still not sure that's a universal problem, or just some combination of hardware and control settings. Not that I don't believe you, it's just something I haven't experienced in the sim.

 

For reference, here's a video I saw recently showing the Bell 412 from cold start to flight, and then an engine-off autoration landing. Notice the degree of control while the pilot is following the taxiways in a low hover (fast forward past the cold start):

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9XDM400N0M

 

Maybe there is a feeling of no inertia if you're throwing the stick around (combat sim or aerobatics), but in normal flight like this, I just don't get that feeling of excessive roll on cyclic input. Of course high frame rates help, but that's a given with any light plane or helicopter in the sim.

I really can't say if it's a controller issue , because in DCS it does not happen.

 

About the cyclic roll sensitivity that is now gone after the stick extension so no curves at all. In fact in Xplane I don't use curves for any aircraft , in DCS I have to set a deadzone but no curves.

 

VRS difference could be due to the heli  weight ?

Well, thet Bell 412 comes with a SAS, which makes a whole lot of a difference of course :-)

Does the 412 have that SAS in real ? 

Yep, it surely does :-)

 

Interesting thread at PPrune talking also about how pilots coming from "low end" helis can wrongly try to operate the sophisticated Bell 412 with it's SAS computers :-)

 

http://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-393579.html

Well, thet Bell 412 comes with a SAS, which makes a whole lot of a difference of course :-)

 

Fair point.  :smile:

 

Okay, here's Froogle's video on the Bell 407 -- SAS-less and pretty good flying for a self-confessed beginner. I don't hear any comments about excessive roll from cyclic input, and I haven't experienced it myself with the 407.

 

Hmmm.. is it just me, or has "November" disappeared from x-plane.com?

Hmmm.. is it just me, or has "November" disappeared from x-plane.com?

 

http://www.x-plane.com/

 

Says "X-Plane 11 is coming this November." for me.

http://www.x-plane.com/

 

Says "X-Plane 11 is coming this November." for me.

 

Ah, now I see it! It must have been on the purchase-page..? I felt a pang of disappointment, really hope it gets released soon. 

A very nice summary of what's to come, and screenshots!   http://xplanereviews.com/index.php?%2Fforums%2Ftopic%2F517-laminar-research-x-plane-11-release-notes%2F