Reported as a plane full of Brazilian soccer players. My condolences to their family and fans 

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-38140981

Really sad. If you look at flightradar24 it shows the aircraft on a holding pattern near Medellin. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/cp-2933#bbef1b9

According to this colombian military info website they are saying that the crew declared an emergency for being low in fuel. http://www.webinfomil.com/2016/11/ultima-hora-desaparecio-en-antioquia.html

My thoughts and prayers are with all who are affected by such a tragedy.

Thoughts and prayers with all affected. 

 

Seems a few variables at play as to cause. At the moment; electrical fault, fuel starvation and weather/ terrain.

Weather looked fine:

 

SKRG 290400Z 00000KT 8000 DZ BKN015TCU SCT080 16/15 A3024 RMK RERA

SKRG 290300Z VRB02KT 9999 -DZ BKN015 SCT080 17/16 A3025

SKRG 290200Z 00000KT 9999 BKN015 SCT200 17/16 A3023

SKRG 290100Z 01003KT 9999 SCT017 SCT200 17/16 A3020

 

Crash was about 0255z, looks like no traces of post-crash fire. Fuel starvation?

 

My prayers to the involved ones.

Just heard a conversation from the pilot of Avianca 9256, they were in the holding pattern with LAMIA RJ85....they were waiting for Viva Colombia A320 to land as they declared emergency due to a fuel leak.
Avianca 9256 was at 19,000ft and the LAMIA Rj85 was ABOVE them.....as the Viva Colombia A320 was landing, the LAMIA RJ85 requested immediate tracking to the field as they had a "fuel problem" but did NOT delcare an emergency...the controller stated they could not track direct as there was an Airbus on final approach with a fuel emergency.....

The RJ85 replied that they were tracking direct and descending, and THEN declared an emergency.....the controller told Avianca 9256 to turn left immediately as the RJ85 had started descent without authorisation... and the Avianca aircraft saw the RJ85 descend rapidly from above them, seeing clearly its lights and watched it on TCAS...it was a very steep descent...

Moments later, the controller gave them instructions for direct tracking and the LAMIA RJ85 stated they had a "total electrical failure"....the pilot was quite agitated and started requesting vectors direct to the field.

The controller stated they were no longer visible on radar and could not vector them....the pilot of LAMIA kept repeating "Help, request direct vectors" again and again...on the radio you could also hear the other pilot asking "gear, gear down"...the controller saw them for a moment and advised they were at 9,000ft at 8nm....the crew kept repeating "help, request vectors" and the transmission ceased.

the LAMIA RJ85 requested immediate tracking to the field as they had a "fuel problem" but did NOT delcare an emergency

Not another AVA52! (if this ends up as true)

How on earth did they not see they were low on fuel?

 

Wouldn't some sort of warning pop up on the screens?

Some reports indicate the plane barely had enough fuel for the flight, with nothing extra for delays or diversions.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/02/colombia-plane-crash-pilot-brazil-chapecoense

Crew under pressure to save costs by gambling on the minimum fuel required? If so the airline is responsible for murder.....

 

Perhaps the crew should have called an emergency once the minimum fuel limit was busted, company policy be damned? Perhaps then ATC might have taken the appropriate action (hardly their fault - no emergency declared until it was too late). Perhaps then the RJ may have landed safely. The crew and the airline get a bollocking, No one died.

 

 

Crew under pressure to save costs by gambling on the minimum fuel required? If so the airline is responsible for murder.....
 

 

The captain was the owner of the company. The flying time was almost 4:30 and the plane's autonomy was 4:30. They took off without any fuel reserve.

After the tragedy was found in FlightRadar files that there were other flights of LAMIA made in the limit, very close distance between maximum reach declared by aircraft manufacturer, all flights without refueling.
Lamia, old acquaintance of soccer teams, always charged cheaper.
In order to take off in Santa Cruz, a flight plan was presented where a refueling was planned, but it was not done.
There are so many mistakes, it almost becomes unbelievable, the black boxes have been recovered, and they do not speak lies.

 

 

João Alfredo

...no wonder his father in law is asking for forgiveness....