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Hi guys,

 

Firstly, thank you to anyone that responds!

 

I seem to have a VAS issue when flying the 747. Any other aircraft seems to work fine, but when using the 74 she just wan't to OOM when I reach the end of my flight. Sometimes at the start too depending on the scenery. 

 

I get the terrifying ding dong type alert when landed or approaching the field. Sometimes farther out depending on weather. I appreciate that I use AS16, ORBX Global, Vector and England as well as REX 4 clouds so the sim has its work cut out, but it only wants to OOM when using the 747. 

 

Now the sim doesn't always OOM. I've had that happen 2 or 3 times. The main issue is the ding dong alert that signifies imminent death. I use process explorer to monitor VAS as I don't have a full FSUIPC licence. the lowest I see when using the 747 is about 3.2GB usage which peaks to 3.85 when landing at the destination. The alert omes on around 3.9GB.

 

I fully understand that PMDG test their aircraft in a clean sim because they can't replicate everyone's sim environments, but I love realism and that means scenery and weather etc. the longest flight I've managed so far is 4hrs and that includes takeoff and landing. I have set her on a heading and left her going to see how long she can go without the desire to OOM. I left her overnight and she was still going 10hrs later. Granted the scenario wasn't over any intense scenery, but I was getting overcast weather from AS16. I didn't land either so not a brilliant test, but at least I know she's capable of running for a while. 

 

I would love to be able to sort this, but being able to retain a pretty sim if possible would be brilliant!

 

My settings for flying the Queen are as follows:

 

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Thanks again for the help guys!

 

Dan

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Its likely you will need to remove most if not all road and sea traffic. Also if you have not already, read the Avsim Prepar3D Guide v1 for some helpful tips to conserve VAS.

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In my experience, your P3D settings have small impact on VAS and nothing you posted looks like a problem.  I recommend you get the AVSIM Prepar3D Guide, see the pinned topic in the avsim P3D forum.

 

Number one problem is scenery.  Of your 4 GB budget, the simulation takes a little over 1 GB, the airplane takes a little less than 1 GB, which leaves you with about 2 GB that gets used up by scenery. Some scenery is worse than others, one very bad one will user over 1 GB for just an airport. One airport.

 

You need to look closely at the guide I recommended.

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Move down on scenery to dense - no need to have it higher. Actually overall I have more complex setting plus ut traffic and I'm nowhere near any oom.

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Well I have higher settings than you on above everything apart from cars/boats etc which I just have off and doing a bunch of flights over the weekend I never went OOM. I used Flytampas Sydney, Amsterdam as well as Aerosoft Bali and other payware scenery and was never even close to OOM. My last flight from Bali to Sydney I was only at 75% usage according to both Chaseplane and the Project Fly Tool. During flight I was only at 68%.

 

I have all the Orbx global addons as well apart from Vector.

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Its likely you will need to remove most if not all road and sea traffic.

Thanks Paul. I'll look into that.

 

I recommend you get the AVSIM Prepar3D Guide, see the pinned topic in the avsim P3D forum.

I have started to look at this Dan. Thanks for the recommendation. Will post results post cfg edit etc.

 

Move down on scenery to dense - no need to have it higher. Actually overall I have more complex setting plus ut traffic and I'm nowhere near any oom.

This is what I mean Tom. My PC is more than capable of running higher settings and it does; just not with the 747. I just re-installed the 777 to see how she performs in comparison and the highest usage I was getting was 3.4GB with airport scenery and weather.

 

Thanks for the help guys.

Well I have higher settings than you on above everything apart from cars/boats etc which I just have off and doing a bunch of flights over the weekend I never went OOM. I used Flytampas Sydney, Amsterdam as well as Aerosoft Bali and other payware scenery and was never even close to OOM. My last flight from Bali to Sydney I was only at 75% usage according to both Chaseplane and the Project Fly Tool. During flight I was only at 68%.

 

I have all the Orbx global addons as well apart from Vector.

 

At least some of us are getting to truly appreciate the beauty of the 747. Hopefully I can do the same soon!

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At least some of us are getting to truly appreciate the beauty of the 747. Hopefully I can do the same soon!

 

Hope you get it fixed soon. I know some people also use programs like Simstarter which allows you to only load is scenery for a flight you are going to be using. Personally I dont have that but some people like it.

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Thanks Barry, I've heard about Simstarter. I know it sounds bad, but I would love to avoid compromises and just have it work! I'll take a look nonetheless and see if I notice any improvements.  

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I purchased sim starter last week and totally screwed up my p3d. Had to reinstall everything. A descent tutorial would be a great advantage.

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Thanks Barry, I've heard about Simstarter. I know it sounds bad, but I would love to avoid compromises and just have it work! I'll take a look nonetheless and see if I notice any improvements.  

When I get home I will post my settings in P3D if you want. Things that might make a difference is that Active Sky and programs like PFPX I run from a different computer on my network so if you have those on the P3D computer that might be impacting you a little as well.

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If you have a 4 core Intel CPU:

Turning off Hyperthreading (HT) in the bios on my Intel CPU eliminated my VAS problems in P3D. I got back ~300mb. 

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There's a VAS issue wirh the latest Nvidia 78.49 drivers. Revert back to the 76.33 drivers if your using the 78.49

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When I get home I will post my settings in P3D if you want. Things that might make a difference is that Active Sky and programs like PFPX I run from a different computer on my network so if you have those on the P3D computer that might be impacting you a little as well.

Thanks Barry, not sure if that'll be of use given all sims are different right? But, any help I can get would be great! I only run PFPX during pre-flight, then its gone for the remainder. Of course active sky is running throughout. The frustrating thing is the T7 runs better when I'm sure PMDG claimed to have improved VAS performance on the 74.

 

I purchased sim starter last week and totally screwed up my p3d. Had to reinstall everything. A descent tutorial would be a great advantage.

This is my concern, I've downloaded it, but we'll see if I install it or not.

 

There's a VAS issue with the latest Nvidia 78.49 drivers. Revert back to the 76.33 drivers if your using the 78.49

 Thanks Floyd, I'll revert when I get back home. Hopefully I'll see some results.

If you have a 4 core Intel CPU:

Turning off Hyperthreading (HT) in the bios on my Intel CPU eliminated my VAS problems in P3D. I got back ~300mb. 

 

Thanks Bob, I'll check this out as well.

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I purchased sim starter last week and totally screwed up my p3d. Had to reinstall everything. A descent tutorial would be a great advantage.

Sorry to hear that it's a great program you just got to know what your doing I agree a tutorial would be great

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Hi guys, I have been going through the P3D Guide you recommended in between work and It's having a small effect. I also went and disabled any scenery I didn't need and I only got the alert sound once on the ground and shut down at my destination - so all in all not too bad so far. Hope to look at config files some time soon. Just thought I'd keep you all updated!

 

Cheers,

 

Dan 

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I have flown FSX, FSX-SE, and P3D for years and never had an OOM or VAS issue until flying PMGD aircraft. Let me preface that by saying that most of my flying before PMDG was done on the Twin Otter Extended and other bush planes. Strictly bush type scenarios and over-water island hopping.

Now I've graduated to more "sophisticated" flying and started with the NGX and now the 747 v3. I fly with FSGlobal 2010, FTX global, vector, Europe LC, ASN, etc.. But no individual airports. (I prefer the whole experience as compared to the start and finish) I have my settings pretty high (see Matt Davies' settings) and I have the best of the best in terms of hardware.

The only OOM I have had s far was flying into default EGLL, and we all know what a PITA EGLL can be with OOM issues. So here's my point..... We are all bound by the 4gb limit and if you do the slightest bit of research into this issue, it becomes readily apparent that VAS and OOM issues are directly correlated to incredibly complex add-on scenery and eye-candy like photorealistic home and destination airports. I can do full 12 hour flights in the 747 v3 without any VAS or OOM issues as long as I leave EGLL out of the equation. And if I do fly into or out of EGLL, I simply save, exit and reload the flight to restart the VAS. Flight swimming has never been better and the PMGD aircraft have taken this hobby into the next level.

I went to the doctor the other day and complained to him that I OOM'd while flying into EGLL. His response was don't fly into EGLL.......

Folks, it's an easy answer to all your problems. Work the sim and don't let the sim work you....

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I have flown FSX, FSX-SE, and P3D for years and never had an OOM or VAS issue until flying PMGD aircraft. Let me preface that by saying that most of my flying before PMDG was done on the Twin Otter Extended and other bush planes. Strictly bush type scenarios and over-water island hopping.

Now I've graduated to more "sophisticated" flying and started with the NGX and now the 747 v3. I fly with FSGlobal 2010, FTX global, vector, Europe LC, ASN, etc.. But no individual airports. (I prefer the whole experience as compared to the start and finish) I have my settings pretty high (see Matt Davies' settings) and I have the best of the best in terms of hardware.

The only OOM I have had s far was flying into default EGLL, and we all know what a PITA EGLL can be with OOM issues. So here's my point..... We are all bound by the 4gb limit and if you do the slightest bit of research into this issue, it becomes readily apparent that VAS and OOM issues are directly correlated to incredibly complex add-on scenery and eye-candy like photorealistic home and destination airports. I can do full 12 hour flights in the 747 v3 without any VAS or OOM issues as long as I leave EGLL out of the equation. And if I do fly into or out of EGLL, I simply save, exit and reload the flight to restart the VAS. Flight swimming has never been better and the PMGD aircraft have taken this hobby into the next level.

I went to the doctor the other day and complained to him that I OOM'd while flying into EGLL. His response was don't fly into EGLL.......

Folks, it's an easy answer to all your problems. Work the sim and don't let the sim work you....

What Matt Said... 

 

I just landed into FACT from FNLU after 3 and a bit hours (with a go around) , and still had about 1 - 1.2GB VAS remaining.... 

and that's with FTX Global, ASN, REX clouds, Textures and Airports HD.  

 

With 4GB only being available, sadly you cant have your cake and eat it. 

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you cant have your cake and eat it.

 

Exactly my point. Enjoy this fantastic product by whatever means you can. If that involves sacrificing some scenery to let it run properly, than so be it. NO bit of hardware will let you run with every add-on at top settings. Trust me. This is my only hobby, as it is with most of you out there, and I've invested thousands in hardware and software in chasing the perfect flight sim. You can only go so far before you start having to make compromises. I'll leave it up to you to determine where to make the compromises, but it sure isn't the fault of the PMDG folks. Look at your own setup first before questioning the product they are putting out. Please, research what is already out there and don't just buy into something because some random person on AVSIM or some other forum says it is so. People like Word Not Allowed, Froogle, Matt Davies, Dan Downs, and others are highly respected (if I left you out forgive me). Listen to them. Enjoy this hobby. Stop chasing FPS. Stop chasing VAS. Enjoy the sim.

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I Appreciate your responses Matt and Liam, but I quite like to eat the cake.

 

You see when I can run Matt Davies' settings with add-on airports, weather and ORBX scenery when flying the T7 or BBS A330 or basically any other aircraft in my hangar - I'd like to be able to do it with my newest aircraft too. 

 

I am slowly reducing the load on P3D, although I'm not sure if its P3D or FS95 now  :wink: Hopefully with a bit of config manipulation I'll get her running nice.

 

Let me say though that the lowest I've seen VAS usage with the queen is about 3.4GB. This slowly climbs up to 3.8GB and then 3.9GB at the destination when the alert tones start blaring out. the T7 hovers around 3.6GB for the most part. I can do long flights and when the scenery concerned isn't too intense all is fine. 

 

I'm a guy who likes realism, and to me that means scenery and weather combined with the fantastic aircraft that PMDG produce. To others, maybe not, but to ME thats how I like it and there must be a way to make it work without a compromise so drastic as to make my sim look 8bit.

 

Dan

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There's a VAS issue wirh the latest Nvidia 78.49 drivers. Revert back to the 76.33 drivers if your using the 78.49

 

That pretty much sorted the "sudden" VAS issues I was having with the T7.  Wonder if anyone has told nvidia their latest drivers are a dud?

 

Jim Mclean

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That pretty much sorted the "sudden" VAS issues I was having with the T7.  Wonder if anyone has told nvidia their latest drivers are a dud?

 

Jim Mclean

 

I've seen this before but I'm running this version without any issues so I'm not sure it's 100% true it's a driver version issue only. Maybe in combination with other things such as what kind of graphics card you're using.

 

I'm on an MSI 980Ti using 378.49 and again...I have zero issues and this is on a rather complex setup with lots of stuff installed.

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QUOTS2 seems to be 300 MB heavier on VAS than the 777 from what I have seen on my fsx.

So I did not notice any improvement over the 777 but the opposite.

 

Anyhow, a piece of art!

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I've been getting a crash to desktop from clicking the 2D pop ups. When I did so, it looked like my VAS monitor read 100% when for 8 hours, I was steady at 3.1GB with AS16, low settings, etc.

 

We're in the same boat when it comes to being disappointed about a crash after spending 8 or 9 hours doing something. I mean, last night was the 5th time. Can't do that anymore until it's fixed.

 

Good luck!

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