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Guess I’ve reached my saturation point in trying to mess with all this software to get it working properly. P3D v.3 is a nightmare – seems to work more poorly every time I boot it up. GSX and FS Dream Team are virtually unusable. All sorts of excuses with software representatives about what’s going on but the bottom line is that it just doesn’t work. I’ve got a top of the line Jetline system, plenty of power and I update all this software as recommended. I’m not a computer guy but I’m not stupid either and I’ve managed somehow to enjoy flight simulation since 1982 until now.

 
PMDG’s stuff is great. Never a problem. Virtually everything else sucks. I’m not one to want to tweak all this stuff all the time – I enjoy aviation and flying – not fooling around with software settings all day long. I’m a real world pilot and find that flight simulation is a nice adjunct to that and can actually be useful in flight planning and instrument practice – at least when it works.
 
Sorry for the negative tone but I’m frustrated – obviously. Guess I’ll turn off the computer and come back in a week or two – maybe some of it will have fixed itself in the meantime.
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agree with you completely. Developers and their excuses for poor support or poor products are annoying at best. The program P3d itself seems to get worse as the versions come out. Its getting old and its getting old fast!

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What bugs me the most is when you get everything running great, and then run an update on something, and immediately run into trouble. I have gotten to the point that if I don't have a roll back plan, after updating, I don't update. Period. 

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Give XP11 a try! If like me, you'll be pleasantly surprised ☺ I haven't loaded FSXSE or P3D, not even once, since XP11 became available . . . and the same goes for XP10. I too had had enough of 'tinkering' rather than flying in FSX and P3D. And that's putting it mildly!

 

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DEw_WLdtHDE

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I downloaded X Plane 11 demo yesterday cause I too am frustrated with P3Dv3 and X Plane ran worse than P3D. Maybe Aerofly 2 ?

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Walt,

 

I totally agree with your situation. I had everything running sweet with P3D v3. My problems started with v3.4. I had continual memory problems particulary with VAS, I just could not complete a flight despite using the same addons and settings as with v3.3. No end of adjustments or tweaks would allow me to fly any longer than 30mins....UNTIL, my dedicated P3D ssd failed and could not be revived, I was devistated, all my aircraft, scenery and utilities - all gone! After 30 years of flight simming I seriously considered giving it up.

 

THEN, I decided to start again. I purchased a new hdd(no ssd this time) and set about doing a complete NEW install of the latest build of Prepar3D. The process took me the best part of a week to get it back to where I was pre crash...AND everything is running to a level I could never get before. I'm able to do 10 hour pmdg 777 long haul flights into the most VAS demanding airports with no crash, the system is running smoother with no issues, it has been rejuvinated.

 

I suppose just adding the minimal updates with each release was obviously affecting how the files were accessed, maybe some important ones were inadvertantly completely omitted.

 

Maybe you could consider 'biting the bullet',and do a complete NEW install, I think you might be pleasantly surprised. When running properly Prepar3D is awesome.

 

Steve

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GSX and FS Dream Team are virtually unusable

 

Same here on the FSX  side, did one update  of GSX and its just been a never ending issue with all their products

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In my opinion, software not being buggy is just a dream.

There are no nearly as much addons for XP11 or AeroFly2 as they are for the ESP simulators.

More software you install, more problems you are going to run into.

In the XP11 world, it can happen pretty much the same that a dev releases a software that performs bad, is filled with bugs etc.

And the lack of sceneries is just bad - until devs like flytampa, fsdt, uk2000 start releasing sceneries for xp11, the majority of the user base is going to stay with ESP.

 

I tried XP11, and the performance is bad, I don't know why. I have GTX980 and quite strong CPU, so I don't get it. Do I need 1080? Who knows? But I won't shell out $800 to find out...

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What bugs me the most is when you get everything running great, and then run an update on something, and immediately run into trouble. I have gotten to the point that if I don't have a roll back plan, after updating, I don't update. Period. 

I've been doing exactly that since FS 98 and never looked back. Once I achieve stability I change nothing, especially Windows. Wprks for me.

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Give XP11 a try! If like me, you'll be pleasantly surprised ☺ I haven't loaded FSXSE or P3D, not even once, since XP11 became available . . . and the same goes for XP10. I too had had enough of 'tinkering' rather than flying in FSX and P3D. And that's putting it mildly!

 

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DEw_WLdtHDE

 

For me X Plane is a major step backwards. Too many things I love about simming are not in X Plane. 

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The reception of XP11 has been incredible! It's considered a big step forward by many. Its adoption by community is growing and will continue to do so. And we're still in beta!

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What is so odd about this is that many people have no issues.  I have no doubt what you are experiencing is real, just wish it was easier for people to figure it out and get the sim working properly.

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Aerofly FS 2 is fast and smooth and stunning visually.

Aerofly is too empty, it will take many years to fill it up to fsx/xp11 level of simulation.

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I wish we could find a way to get rid of simmconnect. It seems every developer's out is pointing fingers at simmconnect. Nothing more frustrating than buying a killer machine with ssds and power gpus, doing fresh installs, getting everything running perfect and suddenly no response from the as16s and gsxs and proatcx. If there only was a more efficient option to talk to p3d.

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THEN, I decided to start again. I purchased a new hdd(no ssd this time) and set about doing a complete NEW install of the latest build of Prepar3D.

 

Hi Steve,

 

I'm contemplating doing a full reinstall myself soon on a 1Tb SSD (have a 500Mb SSD one at the moment) and leaving Windows on the 500Mb drive and putting everything P3D related on the 1Tb SSD.

 

I'm very interested to hear how you find the performance running P3D on a standard drive compared to the SSD you had it running on.

 

If performance is okay it would save me a lot of money ...

 

p.s. Reason I'm doing this is I'm running out of space due to all the scenery files and airports etc.

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For me X Plane is a major step backwards. Too many things I love about simming are not in X Plane. 

Hi Bob-

 

I went over to Xplane11 for two days, this was my experience.

 

First run, app crashed.

 

Next time, fired up the stock Cessna; it was uncontrollable on the runway.

Spent the better part of a day trying to figure it out why and finally discovered that there was no sensitivity adjustment for this access in the app to manage my toe brakes. Breathe on them and the AC would jerk violently in that direction. Google search revealed I had a lot of company.

 

Forum posts said to file a bug report.

 

Ran back to P3D as quickly as my little feet would carry me  :smile:

 

Cheers,

Mark

Hi Steve,

 

I'm contemplating doing a full reinstall myself soon on a 1Tb SSD (have a 500Mb SSD one at the moment) and leaving Windows on the 500Mb drive and putting everything P3D related on the 1Tb SSD.

 

I'm very interested to hear how you find the performance running P3D on a standard drive compared to the SSD you had it running on.

 

If performance is okay it would save me a lot of money ...

 

p.s. Reason I'm doing this is I'm running out of space due to all the scenery files and airports etc.

If possible, go with SSDs.

 

Standard HDs will be a giant step backwards.

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P3D is actually pretty stable, with no major bugs i can see, or even VAS issues.  The problems start when you pile other applications and software on top of that.  I just updated my PC so i reinstalled everything.  Last time like the OP i was getting frustrated with Flight Sim, i stopped for a while.  This time i only put on the basics i need to make the sim look OK, so no Vector or ORBX regions; guess what, i have had no VAS problems or random crashes with this approach, i can even fly the FSL A320 for more than 30 minutes.

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P3D is actually pretty stable, with no major bugs i can see, or even VAS issues.  The problems start when you pile other applications and software on top of that.  I just updated my PC so i reinstalled everything.  Last time like the OP i was getting frustrated with Flight Sim, i stopped for a while.  This time i only put on the basics i need to make the sim look OK, so no Vector or ORBX regions; guess what, i have had no VAS problems or random crashes with this approach, i can even fly the FSL A320 for more than 30 minutes.

Yup.

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P3D is actually pretty stable, with no major bugs i can see, or even VAS issues.  The problems start when you pile other applications and software on top of that.  I just updated my PC so i reinstalled everything.  Last time like the OP i was getting frustrated with Flight Sim, i stopped for a while.  This time i only put on the basics i need to make the sim look OK, so no Vector or ORBX regions; guess what, i have had no VAS problems or random crashes with this approach, i can even fly the FSL A320 for more than 30 minutes.

This may be an option for you tubeliners but for GA sightseeing I find the default scenery a bit lacking.

 

BTW, I have the complete ORBX collection (and several FSDT, FB, FT airports etc.) and no stability issues with P3D HF3 at all (so far).

 

I also have XP11 and no stability issues either, while I can confirm the C172 behaving like a goatling when taxiing with low speed. 

 

Kind regards, Michael

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Reading all of this makes me feel sorry for those of us simmers so afflicted.

I did my "big build' October 2016. I went without food or water for a month and got the best cpu I could afford - and stipulated in the FSX Bible - Haswell 4790K. That's overclocked gently to 4.6 and is stable. I've got 2 SSD's for storage, a GTX 780 graphics card and 8 Gig of fast RAM.

 

I built and configured closely following Nick_N's FSX Bible. I spent the extra time required to absolutely follow his instructions with regards to optimising Windows 7 and the FSX environment. I installed FSX Acceleration boxed with sp2.

 

I run Steve's DX10 Fixer for cockpit shadows, cloud shadows, / general eye candy and extra stability etc, Orbx Global, Orbx England (where I mostly fly) UKScenery2000 renders Gatwick and Heathrow in stunning glory.

 

I have AS16 to inject weather. I have a hangar with PMDG 737, 777 - soon to buy 747. FSL A320X, a few Ceranado, a Turbine Duke, A2A Cherokee - for laughs. GSX handle ground operations for some of those A/C. All the above aircraft fly with excellent FPS and are stable and trustworthy - apart from A320X which ALWAYS CTD's on exit.

 

I have yet to have a OOM or VAS issue. I can fly 7 hours back to the UK and land at Ukscenery 2000 Heathrow Extreme on max settings. When devs release updates for any othe above I sit quietly watching as others download and report (the latest GSX "corr"update is a good example) before making the informed decision about whether to deploy the update to my sim.

 

I think the overriding factor in my success is that the PC JUST does FSX - that's all it knows. The PC does not do anything else; it isn't connected to the internet except during simulator sessions to download weather, etc. There are no extraneous applications on it for any other purpose other than flight simming.

 

When you stuff a computer with a load of stuff for daily use - office programs/ internet stuff/ other games, etc - then rapidly the machine becomes a jack of all trades and master of none.

 

I do RW flying - WILL get that PPL one day! -  so I take my simming seriously as a tool to improve my experience beyond the front door so a machine that's dedicated to the task - with no other distractions/ processes running, etc is the way of keeping things stable, clean and in good stead.

 

I still haven't switched over to P3D but will, I suppose when it shows itself to be as stable and reliable as my current configuration. The moral is have a dedicated machine, fully optimised for the task of simming and never pollute it with any other junk.

 

This got drilled into me in the early days of pc video editing when machine optimisation wasn't just key to task completion but an absolute necessety in order to start the task in the first place. Trying to run SD PAL video through Avid on an early Pentium 750 - don't get me started on those dark old days.

 

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BTW, I have the complete ORBX collection (and several FSDT, FB, FT airports etc.) and no stability issues with P3D HF3 at all (so far).

 

With ORBX stuff it's not so much stability, like you, ORBX caused no issues with stability in my sim either; my issue with the ORBX stuff is VAS usage, i used to run Vector, and the Sub-regions of the UK, i couldn't complete a single flight into or over London without an OOM.  Now like you i have read people on here claiming that they run everything with all the sliders to the right and the FSL A320 and never experience VAS issues, sorry but i just don't buy it.  

 

At the moment, Flight Simming is all about compromise. 

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With ORBX stuff it's not so much stability, like you, ORBX caused no issues with stability in my sim either; my issue with the ORBX stuff is VAS usage, i used to run Vector, and the Sub-regions of the UK, i couldn't complete a single flight into or over London without an OOM.  Now like you i have read people on here claiming that they run everything with all the sliders to the right and the FSL A320 and never experience VAS issues, sorry but i just don't buy it.  

 

At the moment, Flight Simming is all about compromise. 

 

I don't run FSX with All Sliders Right - that's overkill anyway. I have tried it and of course - slow FPS but interestingly, I really couldn't discern much difference between most sliders being bout 65-75% and 100%.  I set them according to devs instructions - and they never suggest 100% - whether it's an a/c or scenery.

 

I also roll them back and forth depending on my flying activities for the day. If flying VFR in my A2A Cherokee around southern England I'll adjust to get a good depth of scenery and decent performance from the a/c. 

 

If I'm IFR and springing out of Gatwick straight up to 6000' in a 777 then scenery sliders go back to boost the complex a/c.

 

I too, chuckle when you see YouTubes saying FSX MAX'd OUT! and then see somebody's jitters/ shakes/ and the work they've had to do in AfterEffects to try and make it look good.

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With ORBX stuff it's not so much stability, like you, ORBX caused no issues with stability in my sim either; my issue with the ORBX stuff is VAS usage, i used to run Vector, and the Sub-regions of the UK, i couldn't complete a single flight into or over London without an OOM.   

I have most of the settings maxed (in P3D), although I have a kind of a special setup.

 

- I use SimStarter to only activate Scenery I actually use (i.e. Vector and Addon Mesh off when in ORBX Regions).

- I have a hardware cockpit with all controls/gauges (FIPs) driven via a networked laptop running SPAD.neXt. There is no panel at all (2D or 3D) on my monitor (eating a lot of VAS, as I checked).

- AS2016 runs networked, too, when in use.

- I only fly VFR, the most advanced being A2A planes, I don't own any PMDG and friends.

- I only do flights up to 1 hr. I just lack time for more.

 

With this setup I never saw an OOM so far, including in VAS hogs like FT Toronto.

 

Kind regards, Michael

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If performance is okay it would save me a lot of money ...
 

 

Paul - There is no NOTICEABLE difference. Anyone who says there is simply has their system set up incorrectly. We're talking NANOSECOND differences here. I have two systems set up, one on SSD's completely, including W10 and the other on HDD's including W10.

 

I've adjusted my settings due to CPU etc but the overall experience is the same.

 

We all want the fastest, smoothest experience and using benchmarks, the SSD outperforms the HDD so like others, I went out and bought a few terabytes of SSD's. I *know* they're faster and if I measured them I'd see it but in practical use, it's just nice knowing I have close to state of the art.

 

Go for the HDD but get the fastest you can - I'm still using the WD Velociraptor with excellent results.

 

Vic

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