February 11, 20179 yr Chemtrails.... Who the heck really knows...Moon Landings... Who the heck really knows.... Who knows? Well, try people who are good at logic, and who don't confuse innuendo and poor science with proof. By the way, disagreeing with something your own organisation says isn't whistleblowing, particularly when you're not even expert in the areas touched on by the investigation. It just makes you a contrarian. Whistleblowers are people who have either witnessed wrongdoign themselves or found proof of it. That video contains not one shred of evidence.
February 11, 20179 yr Pilots turning on switches to create chemtrails is ludicrous, but some people truly believe that as true… That form of rumor or technique is called "poisoning the well". "Poisoning the well" is used to spread false information about a theory, which is then used to discredit that theory. In many cases, "poisoning the well" is used to a make a theory laughable. Individuals generally don’t like to be laugh at, so they "conform" with the majority. Getting back to the OP, not only have engines changed, so have all the fuel additives changed in jet fuel.Have chemtrails changed over time, sure, mainly due to changes in jet fuel (additives), and maybe changes in atmospheric conditions.Green slime to jet fuel: algae offers airlines a cleaner futurehttp://www.reuters.com/article/us-airbus-germany-biofuels-idUSKCN0Z117FThomson to fly planes on cooking oilhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/transport/8610321/Thomson-to-fly-planes-on-cooking-oil.htmlThis list goes on with jet fuel manipulation, so I could only imagine the appearance, and how long they last will change too. The effect of chemtrails on the atmosphere is a science, but some how when the term chemtrial is used, peoples perception is “pilots turning on switches to kill us all”. Releasing all these chemicals into the atmosphere is a genuine concern for the health of people and the long term effects of our planet.Who knows what the long term effects of that chemical that was spread in Florida to fight zika will have.. Who knows? Well, try people who are good at logic, and who don't confuse innuendo and poor science with proof. I have, it's call "Architects and Engineers for 911" and that's who produced that video, Richard Gage. Gravity is a powerful force, but buildings cannot fall at free fall speed unless aided. Two planes cause three high rise metal structures to fall at free fall speed? The laws of physics changed that day. http://www2.ae911truth.org/downloads/911investigator/911investigator_1st_ed_v_1.1.pdf 911 is now part of history. "His" "Story". Who's story is the truth. RJ
February 11, 20179 yr Gravity is a powerful force, but buildings cannot fall at free fall speed unless aided. Two planes cause three high rise metal structures to fall at free fall speed? It hasn't even been proven that the towers fell at freefall speed. The science says that it's impossible to be certain how long each tower took to fall, and people who claim otherwise are, surprise surprise, cherry-picking or misrepresenting the evidence.
February 11, 20179 yr Commercial Member I would still like an explanation on something I saw personally a few months ago for the second time (I questioned my memory and senses the first time I saw it but the second time I was sorely wishing I had a camera so you could see). The trail suddenly thinned out for a few seconds, then became thicker again. After the aircraft had moved enough, a short gap could be seen at that spot in the trail. Jonathan "FRAG" Bleeker Formerly known here as "Narutokun" If I speak for my company without permission the boss will nail me down. So unless otherwise specified...Im just a regular simmer who expresses his personal opinion
February 11, 20179 yr Paul, 911 is a very touchy subject , so this will be my last post in this thread. I've studied this topic for years, which led me to study psychology. I respect your view point, but don't let people prove things for you.Research the topic for yourself, and draw your own conclusions.But do so, with an open mind and understand that your core belief system will be challenged. Mine was... WTC 7 was not hit by any aircraft, yet fall at near free fall speed (6.5 seconds). The twin towers fell in 10 to 11 seconds. People jumping from the tops of the towers took 10 to 11 seconds to hit the ground. Only air resistance slowed their fall. What happened to all the steal beams, in all three buildings, to allow that type of acceleration (air resistance only)? RJ
February 11, 20179 yr Utter BS! After all those years a whistleblower would talk and show evidence, none did. Impossible to hide this.. image alle the people involved to do this on a large scale. Utter BS!
February 11, 20179 yr Paul, 911 is a very touchy subject , so this will be my last post in this thread. I've studied this topic for years, which led me to study psychology. I respect your view point, but don't let people prove things for you. Research the topic for yourself, and draw your own conclusions. But do so, with an open mind and understand that your core belief system will be challenged. Mine was... WTC 7 was not hit by any aircraft, yet fall at near free fall speed (6.5 seconds). The twin towers fell in 10 to 11 seconds. People jumping from the tops of the towers took 10 to 11 seconds to hit the ground. Only air resistance slowed their fall. What happened to all the steal beams, in all three buildings, to allow that type of acceleration (air resistance only)? RJ It's interesting that you exhibit the classic behavious of the conspiracy-theorist, that anyone who disagrees hasn't done any research and isn't doing any independent thinking. A few points... 1. I have studied psychology too, but the answers to 9/11 don't lie in psychology, they lie in science. 2. Claiming to respect my viewpoint doesn't tally with then claiming that I've allowed other people to do my thinking for me. 3. WTC7 was not hit by an aircraft, but it was hit by a lot of debris from the collapsing towers (9/11 truthers never mention this). 4. Again, the speed at which the towers fell has not been proven (9/11 truthers never admit to this either). 5 . What is visible in the videos, however, is that debris caused by the collapse and in free-fall itself, is falling faster thatn the collapsing towers. It follows from this that the towers cannot possibly be collapsing at freefall speed. No prizes for guessing how often 9/11 truthers mention this... But you're right. This isn't worth continuiing with as it has been gone into more than enough. The 9/11 conspiracy claims are out there for everyone to read for themselves, and the answers to those claims and science that debunks them isn't hard to find either...for anyone who really wants to know.
February 11, 20179 yr I am no conspiracy theorist i always think pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate... But, i don't think even the most ardent Alex Jones fan thinks every aircraft is involved in poisoning the atmosphere (well beyond the greenhouse effect). From what i have read they appear to believe that certain vapour trails are actually chem-trails. Ones that are bigger or longer lasting. Of course i believe it's far more likely to be atmospheric conditions, but there is good evidence that the governments of at least the US, China, Russia and the USSR have or do attempt to manipulate the weather. Anyhoo...it's not as worrying as HAARP. Ian R Tyldesley
February 11, 20179 yr I would still like an explanation on something I saw personally a few months ago for the second time (I questioned my memory and senses the first time I saw it but the second time I was sorely wishing I had a camera so you could see). The trail suddenly thinned out for a few seconds, then became thicker again. After the aircraft had moved enough, a short gap could be seen at that spot in the trail. Contrail formation depends on the amount of water vapor already in the air, and the temperature. The closer the air is to being saturated, the more readily they form. That's why one place that contrails are likely to form is in the air to the northeast of an advancing warm front, because that is an occasion where the amount of water vapor in the upper levels is on the increase. The atmosphere aloft is not perfectly uniform or stable. The aircraft you saw probably passed through a patch of air that was a little more dry than the surrounding air, so the contrail momentarily ceased Local variations in temperature and humidity happen close to the ground too. Not noticeable if one is traveling in a car, but very noticeable when riding a motorcycle - especially in rural areas. The skin is very sensitive to sudden changes in air temperature or moisture. Jim BarrettLicensed Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic, Avionics, Electrical & Air Data Systems Specialist. Qualified on: Falcon 900, CRJ-200, Dornier 328-100, Hawker 850XP and 1000, Lear 35, 45, 55 and 60, Gulfstream IV and 550, Embraer 135, Beech Premiere and 400A, MD-80.
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