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PF3 or Radar Contact?

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Currently using RC4 but its dated and not being updated any longer.

ProATC...nope updates are rare and I don't want voice control/

So, is PF3 currently a good replacement for RC4?

 

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RC4 is the best vectoring ATC software as of today despite its age and "funny" human voices. PATC does quite a poor job on vectoring, meanwhile SID/STARS guidance is okey, but it's not fun at all as the software is merely guide you from point A to point B. 

 

Bottom Line - stick with RC4

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I used RC4 for years, back in the day, it is pretty dated. I like PF3 , with the voices, it is much more immersive than PATC. Try the PF3 demo, it's free. The only downside to the demo is you are limited to 4 voices ( and not the best ones either) , while the full program has almost 150 voices. 

 

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Chris, 

I'd also suggest trying out the VOXATC 7 beta as it is a free, full-featured, time-limited (60 days) version of the software. It does require a  microphone.

Jay

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Just now, jabloomf1230 said:

Chris, 

I'd also suggest trying out the VOXATC 7 beta as it is a free, full-featured, time-limited (60 days) version of the software. It does require a  microphone.

Jay

 

Thanks brother Jay but I dont want to mess with voice recognition, if I want to speak to an ATC I will use VATSIM.

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33 minutes ago, G-YMML1 said:

RC4 is the best vectoring ATC software as of today despite its age and "funny" human voices. PATC does quite a poor job on vectoring, meanwhile SID/STARS guidance is okey, but it's not fun at all as the software is merely guide you from point A to point B. 

 

Bottom Line - stick with RC4

Not sure why you'd say proatcx does  a poor job when it comes to vectoring. The new version (update) seems to work fine here.  A few issues here and there but nothing major?

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I'm sticking with RC 4.3 myself. Hopefully Mr. Dekker will consider making a version 5 for the upcoming P3D 4. Or maybe LM will make a better than satisfactory stock AI/ATC system.

I tried Pro Flight when it first came out, but there are just too many options and settings for every little thing. 

RC4 just grabs your plan gets a few important facts about your flight and you're set to fly. There is little room for an in-flight mess with RC4, it just works. RC4 also allows for all kinds of surprise situations or changes inflight without having to worry about a CTD or the ATC getting stupid.... An oldie but goodie. 

A big thanks goes to Pete Dowson for making sure RC4 works fine in P3D all this time!

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11 minutes ago, pracines said:

I'm sticking with RC 4.3 myself

A big thanks goes to Pete Dowson for making sure RC4 works fine in P3D all this time!

Hmm, my RC4 tends to CTD with P3D, apparently a known issue.

I have tried the PF3 demo and it seems to have issues with vectoring at FAF etc, which RC handles fine.

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58 minutes ago, Boomer said:

Currently using RC4 but its dated and not being updated any longer.

ProATC...nope updates are rare and I don't want voice control/

So, is PF3 currently a good replacement for RC4?

 

Cheers.

Pro-ATC/X has voice control? I have been using it for several months but didn't notice that.

ProATC voice is not the best out there, but you can record your own voice and put it in the software (which i will be doing in the near future).

53 minutes ago, G-YMML1 said:

RC4 is the best vectoring ATC software as of today despite its age and "funny" human voices. PATC does quite a poor job on vectoring, meanwhile SID/STARS guidance is okey, but it's not fun at all as the software is merely guide you from point A to point B. 

 

Bottom Line - stick with RC4

Which version are you using in PATC? I am using the latest version and they vector me very good actually. I have not tested detail in high terrain area to see if they will vector me into the mountain or not.


Every software has its own bugs, it is just the way you accept it makes it different from the others.

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Hoang Le

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Just now, Boomer said:

Hmm, my RC4 tends to CTD with P3D, apparently a known issue.

I have never had RC versions 3 thru 4.3 CTD on me in FS9, FSX, FSXSE, P3D V2 thru latest version. All this time (going on 15 years) and never once have I had a CTD because of RC.  

If this was a known issue surely there would be a pinned post in the support forum. But Ray Proudfoot is there and is extremely helpful. Between him and Pete Dowson I'm pretty positive any ongoing CTD issue in RC4.3 can be easily solved. 

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Well, regardless, the question remains.  Are there any advantages for this RC4 user to move to PF3?

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25 minutes ago, Boomer said:

Well, regardless, the question remains.  Are there any advantages for this RC4 user to move to PF3?

As  I already suggested, try the demo and you can answer the question yourself. Otherwise it is like asking someone else if they will like lobster or not. 

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7 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

As  I already suggested, try the demo and you can answer the question yourself. Otherwise it is like asking someone else if they will like lobster or not. 

Right, as I say I did.

Does anyone have both to compare?

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In my FS world - RC4 is for USA/Canada, PATC - for Europe and rest of the world.

 

No CTD's on RC4 - one of the stable external software I have seen in my FS life, FS2002/2004/FSX/P3Dv2-v3. 

 

PATC - have the latest build. No CTD (never had), but still occasional sound-related stuttering and very boring SID/STAR modus operandi. 

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2 hours ago, Boomer said:

Hmm, my RC4 tends to CTD with P3D, apparently a known issue.

I have tried the PF3 demo and it seems to have issues with vectoring at FAF etc, which RC handles fine.

What problems did you have with vectoring? If you post your problems on the PF3 support forum it probably can get sorted.

 

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1 hour ago, G-YMML1 said:

In my FS world - RC4 is for USA/Canada, PATC - for Europe and rest of the world.

Why so, brother?

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Have used them all. PF3 is the most immersive. No problems with vectoring. Great support, and regular updates.

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13 minutes ago, Travelling_Wilbury said:

Have used them all. PF3 is the most immersive. No problems with vectoring. Great support, and regular updates.

Done hundreds of flights with PF3, never had a problem with vectoring, as long as you follow ATC instructions. 

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I have all 3 and each have their pluses and minuses. 

I have been a user of RC4 since that version became available with FS2004.  RC4 is still a great product and I still use it occasionally with P3Dv3.3.5.  You can fly a SID/STAR without being vectored away by selecting the NOTAM box for departure and arrival airports, they ask you to fly ### heading when able, which allows you continue your SID/STAR until you are ready to comply with the new heading.

I decided to try PF3 and PATC about a year ago, for the extra voices available for pilots & controllers, and for the other features. 

I got to where I like PF3, since I fly PMDG a/c in P3Dv3.3.5 for my VA's (2), as I use published routes with SID & STAR.  PF3 has just been updated to allow listing multiple SID/STAR's for each runway and then you can select from them, when you are ready to start your flight.  You can also assign altitudes for the various waypoints indicated on the SID/STAR charts, which I find enhances realism for my flights.  PF3 voices are good, but a few tend to sound rather robotic.  I like the option to add radio static like when a mike is keyed.  I still use PF3 the most.

PATC initially did not fare so well and was left unused until recently when updates have made it much better.  PATC now assigns the SID & STAR if applicable for the flight plan & runways, requires Navigraph subscription if you want to keep them current.  You have the option to request a different SID/STAR than what has been assigned, if available, just like you can request a different runway for take off or landing.  I think PATC has the most realistic set of voices.  I am using PATC with FSX for flights with the Level-D 767-300ER now that Level-D has provided a Windows 10 update.  I may eventually use it more in P3D with PMDG a/c.

So, do I have a favorite?  Hard to say, as again, they each have their pros and cons.  I would probably have stuck with RC4 if it had more controller voices.  Now, it is a toss up at present.  I'm going to use PATC a bit more and see if it becomes my #1.

I hope I was able to shed a bit of light on each, and can only say, it really is a trial and error thing, IMHO.  Every one of us have our own favorite sim, a/c, etc, so the same can be said of ATC software.  I wish you success in determining which one best suits you.

 

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Well I went ahead and purchased it and will be back soon to tell you how I find it compared to RC4/

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I was looking at a few videos showing PF3, and noticed you don't use your own voice to speak to ATC, is that correct? Voices also sound robotic, and that's always been a turn off for me. The only ATC software I used that didn't sound robotic was VoxATC, but it seems like their developer just disappeared after they attempted to update their software. Short of using PilotEdge or VATSIM, there is not too many choices for ATC programs.

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6 minutes ago, joelpacheco said:

Radar Contact is good but I moved to Pilot2ATC v2. Very happy so far.

Just checked out a demo flight with Pilot2ATC v2, and the voices sound much better, realistic.

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6 minutes ago, specialist said:

Just checked out a demo flight with Pilot2ATC v2, and the voices sound much better, realistic.

Is it Voice only ? Like VOX ?

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15 minutes ago, Travelling_Wilbury said:

Is it Voice only ? Like VOX ?

Sounds like VoxATC to me. I just wonder if I could add all my IVONA voices. That would give it a nice selection of voices to hear during your flight.

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