Egbert Drenth

So... what will be the status of the KA 350i this year?

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More then a year ago I informed about the status of the KingAir 350i. 
Despite several promises, assurances etc about a release last year, the KS 350i still isn't finished.
Some buyers are waiting for more then 3 years now, with multiple new other aircraft released frequently

Any clues what the status will be at the end of this year?


 

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Hi,
Hopefully by the end of the year it will have been out for many months!

 

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I have given up on Milviz for the KA 350i. 1 year waiting is ok, 1.5 years are somewhat ok too, but 3 years and nothing on the horizon. Sometimes I wonder, why they bothered to announce this plane at all  

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No promises were ever made on this product.  None.  We said (not a promise) that we would try and deliver it in 2016.  That didn't happen for a variety of reasons out of our control.

It's in progress.  Beleive it or not.

Here's the real deal:  It took Beechcraft and Rockwell Collins more than 5 years of planning and hundreds, if not thousands of people to do what we're doing with 6 people.  So it's no surprise it's taking a long time.

We want it to be exactly like the real deal.  That's the situation.

 

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While I empathize with the amount of code that it takes to truly build a Pro Line 21 system. I can also empathize with people who were told they would be given regular builds for joining the early access then not receiving anything for well over two years. Now we are being told that we will receive a copy when released and will no longer receive any more development builds. Disappointing. 

While I understand your decisions to end the Early Access program, how about throwing us a bone with inside development news on what is going on with the product we invested in. How about videos of the current progress just for early access guys. It would be nice to feel like my early investment is appreciated by your company other than intangible bonus product that may or may not happen. I still believe that when this is released it will be a fantastic product, but like many other are a little put off by lawyer talk as opposed to a real dialog between company and customer. 

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2 hours ago, Milviz said:

 That didn't happen for a variety of reasons out of our control.
Of course... It's always others to blame. Milviz is not in anyway responsible...

Here's the real deal:  It took Beechcraft and Rockwell Collins more than 5 years of planning and hundreds....
Really.... Would you like me seriously comment on that?.... Ohh boy.

Just be a man, take full responsibility and complete the darn thing.

 

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Seems to me that MilViz discovered shortcomings in their original version of their B350i.  They admitted there were problems and said they would be redesigning the aircraft before releasing it.  Yes, it's taken seemingly forever, but not all developers are capable of releasing a new aircraft every 2-3 months.  At least the MilViz team recognized issues and pulled the product for rebuilding before releasing it to the public.

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18 hours ago, stans said:

but not all developers are capable of releasing a new aircraft every 2-3 months

And that is exactly my point.
In the mean time multiple new aircraft have been released by Milviz.
It seems that the KA 350i has the lowest priority, I mean we are waiting more then 3 years.

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3 hours ago, Egbert Drenth said:

And that is exactly my point.
In the mean time multiple new aircraft have been released by Milviz.
It seems that the KA 350i has the lowest priority, I mean we are waiting more then 3 years.

Different teams within Milviz were behind those new aircraft and some of them have been in the works for nearly a year, others for more than a year. You might ask why we don't add the manpower of those teams on to the KingAir and the answer is quite simple. Too many cooks spoil the broth. There are limits to how many people you can put on the same product in this industry without causing major confusion and slowing production down even more. We make better progress with the 2-3 programmers on the KA team than we would if we added the 5+ other programmers who are in other product teams.

This answer has been given repeatedly but it appears those who don't want to hear it simply ignore it.

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7 hours ago, Narutokun said:

This answer has been given repeatedly but it appears those who don't want to hear it simply ignore it.

That bears repeating! :cool:

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On 5/5/2017 at 3:12 PM, Katoun said:

Hi,
Hopefully by the end of the year it will have been out for many months!

 

No one has waited longer for this aircraft than me.  I bought it as soon as the pre-release was available.

Please, take your time developing it, and make it "Mind Blowing!" 

 

Thank you,

Bob

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Well, the wait probably just got longer as they now get to make it P3Dv4 compatible.

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Considering one of their programmers is Collin B from TFDi, I suspect he is now busy recoding the 717. 

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I have a lot of respect for Milviz, I truly do, but it is this project alone that has taught me to never pay for early access. And I was very very tempted to pay for it when available. In any event, I will definitely be buying it when released.  I'm super jealous of you who have the early access version. 😊

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9 hours ago, FSXtreme said:

No one has waited longer for this aircraft than me.  I bought it as soon as the pre-release was available.

Please, take your time developing it, and make it "Mind Blowing!" 

 

Well.... we can safely conclude they already are doing that. That was the whole point of this thread (and other ones).

In the mean time.. surprise, surprise... they have released/announced a couple of other aircraft
We will not see the release this year, next year or whenever.

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I really hope the p3dv4 upgrade is free for this one given we haven't had a chance to fly it in v3.

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It has been too long.  But.......in their defense:

1.  They told us they were starting over, especially with the PL21. 

2.  They offered to refund our money (at least they offered to refund mine, which I refused.)

3.  I think those who have patiently waited are also getting a steam gauge version of the B300 free of charge, which won't be available to anyone else. 

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It will be available to everyone else but not for free....

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So you are making a 350 with proline glass and a 300 with steam gauges? 

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Actually... it's the 350i (PL-21/FMS3000) and the 350.  Same aircraft but one is a hybrid glass (efis) and the other is full on glass.

Usually, the 350 has a UNS FMS but... we're not going that route (UNREAL I KNOW!!!!) Instead, it will have the FMS3000.

 

 

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What we in the business call the Collins Pro Line II (EFIS 85.) 

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That's pretty cool; I hadn't heard there'd be a steam gauge version. Sweet--will buy both!

 

It's also pretty cool to give out the other version for free to those early access folks. Classy!

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