ozflyer

PC Build for P3D v4

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Hi All, I am embarking on a new PC build on and switching to P3D v4. I have been loyal to FSX all this time, my current specs are in my signature.

My build will be i7-7700k, OC to as close to 5GHz as possible on AIO water. Will be reusing my Kraken X61. MB ASUS ROG Maximus Hero IX.

Memory 16 GB G Skill 3600, 2x8GB.

Should I use my existing Sata3 SSD' s 60 GB each or go for NVMe M.2 Samsung Evo 960? Maybe 120GB.

Do I need to keep OS and P3D on separate drives or can they be on the same drive ?.Which is better performance wise?.

I will be using Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit.

As for capacity, I will only have PMDG 747 and 777, with GSX, multi crew experience and some sceneries, freeware mostly. Only have flytampa YSSY as payware, what capacity would I need ?. Don't want to buy more than I will ever use. My current 60GB, FSX drive, about 20 GB is free.

Thanks for any input/advice. Will be buying the stuff end of next week.

 

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60 GB is a tiny drive, go bigger. Even if you're not using it now, if you're going to invest in a great flightsim rig you don't want to be worrying about space all the time in the future.

My Orbx folder alone is 82 GB! Whilst you may not want to go Orbx-crazy like that, I think that'll you'll find 60Gb to be too limiting.

 

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3 minutes ago, OzWhitey said:

60 GB is a tiny drive, go bigger. Even if you're not using it now, if you're going to invest in a great flightsim rig you don't want to be worrying about space all the time in the future.

My Orbx folder alone is 82 GB! Whilst you may not want to go Orbx-crazy like that, I think that'll you'll find 60Gb to be too limiting.

 

Thanks mate

With improvements in speed etc, do I still need two drives or have P3D and OS in one big 250GB or 500GB singledrive?

Do two drives provide better performance?.

 

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G'day cobber,

I don't think it makes much difference, however just in case when I built my sim computer I put the OS on a 250GB SSD, and the sim on its own 1TB SSD, and then use WD Black HDD for holding extra scenery.

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I have a similar setup with ozwhitey and would recommend using the M2 interface for both OS and P3D platforms if possible. HDD for data is good enough.

also recommend 32GB from the get go - I wanna chuck another set of 16GB on my system but can't find the exact DDR specs anymore.

..another thing, I've been a long time W7 user but found some issues creeping up as all associated programs for P3Dv4 evolve. Good experience with W10pro so far and generally snappier and smoother than W7 regarding file transfers and compatibilities. Still getting used to the interface though..

cheers

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I would go for 32 GB Ram and at LEAST 500 GB SSD...

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11 hours ago, OzWhitey said:

G'day cobber,

I don't think it makes much difference, however just in case when I built my sim computer I put the OS on a 250GB SSD, and the sim on its own 1TB SSD, and then use WD Black HDD for holding extra scenery.

 Cool, it will be two separate drives then...

Cheers

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You need to up the memory to 32 and don't go cheap on the SSD storage. Also hope you don't plan on reusing Asus Strix GTX 970 4GB card on the new build. Your GPU will be your weak spot. Win7 is a bit dated also. Get a min of a 1060/70/80 for video. If you cheap out than there is no reason to do a new build. I just priced a new 7700K rig from scratch and I'm looking at just under $1200 and I already have 2 x 1TB Samsung 850 SSD and a EVGA 1080 FTW which is not included in the price listed above. 

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OZ Flyer,

Win7

One reason that I think you need to consider if you wish to retain Win7 is that I do not believe that it supports DirectX 10 or above whereas Win10 does.  I further believe that DX11 is default  V4 selection and gives slightly better performance I think.  I do not really know much about this aspect and somebody may be able to offer an expert opinion on it,  The end result is that Win10 may well be the better OS for a V4 dedicated Sim.

If I had the fiscal resources, I definitely would opt for the i7 7700K, 32GB (fast) ram, and a 1080ti (11GBDDR5) with appropriate cooling.  However, with (untested at this time)  AMD GPUs with 16gb HBM2 memory apparently being released  by the end of this month, it may well pay to wait just a little longer in order to maximize selection criteria. 

Good luck anyway matey

Regards to al as usual

Tony Chilcott

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Nice MOBO. I have the same processor but I don't OC so I'm using Deep Cool for air cooling. I would get an m.2 ssd for windows pro 10 for some of the reasons noted above regarding dx 11 - make it 250 gb. Cheap enough.  No need for 32 gb now. I have 16 and it is great. No problem, though those two open slots keep staring me in the face, lol.I bought a dedicated conventional  HD for two of my favourite 64 bit flightsims - XP11 and PDv4. 3TB  WD Blue (127.00). The other drive I brought over from my previous computer (2 TB). I think you might be looking at upping the ante on your video card though.

 

 

i7-7700K 4.2 GHz,  ASRock H270 Pro4 LGA 1151, Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM, Zotac 1080Amp Extreme 8GB.

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14 hours ago, ozflyer said:

Thanks mate

With improvements in speed etc, do I still need two drives or have P3D and OS in one big 250GB or 500GB singledrive?

Do two drives provide better performance?.

 

With SSD's it makes no difference whether you have one drive or two. The performance will be exactly the same.....Doug

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Thanks all for the feedback.

 

So to summarise...

RAM 16 GB OK, 32 GB better.

Definitely Win 10 as Win 7 does not support DX11 and I don't plan on going back to FSX.

GTX 1070 or 1080 depending on budget.

Single SSD M.2 NVMe 250GB.

Is that a go ?.

 

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4 minutes ago, ozflyer said:

Definitely Win 10 as Win 7 does not support DX11 and I don't plan on going back to FSX.

How did you arrive at that conclusion ?

Windows 7 supports DX11 how else are so many folks including myself running P3D on W7

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24 minutes ago, Glynn said:

How did you arrive at that conclusion ?

Windows 7 supports DX11 how else are so many folks including myself running P3D on W7

dx11.jpg

Glynn - I saw on one of the posts Win 10 recommended for DX 11.

Also I though it will future proof if P3D goes DX12???.

Are you happy with DX11 performance in Win 7 64 bit ?.

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Has anyone run P3D v4 on new AMD Ryzen 7 -  8 core ?.

I know FSX did not perform well on AMD CPU's, have not heard any reports on P3D.

 

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just bought a new rig for P3D v4. 500gb SSD, 1080ti, msi titanium mobo, 7700k, 32gb RAM. as another member said, these are perfect specs for your rig..i'm getting outstanding performance..but costly! 🙂

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1 hour ago, ozflyer said:

Are you happy with DX11 performance in Win 7 64 bit ?.

Very happy, there are many aspects of Windows 10 that I do not like, so for now I am happy with a stable Windows 7 system.

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I personally haven't updated my box since 2009, and also hibernated from the hobby for at least 3 years, patiently awaiting 64bit and it is finally here so I've instantly begun the new build and I'm back in it and very happy with the performance so far. I'm pretty sure my wife hates me right now.

i7 7700K
Asus Maximus IX Hero
16Gb GSkill Ripjaws
Phanteks Eclipse P400S 
Corsair 850W PSU
EVGA GTX 1070 Superclocked 2
2 SSDs

Unfortunately I couldn't afford 1080 ti on this brand new build, but I may upgrade at some point in time. I am getting very solid FPS in the 777X and in general in love with the performance.

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6 hours ago, Drumcode said:

I personally haven't updated my box since 2009, and also hibernated from the hobby for at least 3 years, patiently awaiting 64bit and it is finally here so I've instantly begun the new build and I'm back in it and very happy with the performance so far. I'm pretty sure my wife hates me right now.

i7 7700K
Asus Maximus IX Hero
16Gb GSkill Ripjaws
Phanteks Eclipse P400S 
Corsair 850W PSU
EVGA GTX 1070 Superclocked 2
2 SSDs

Unfortunately I couldn't afford 1080 ti on this brand new build, but I may upgrade at some point in time. I am getting very solid FPS in the 777X and in general in love with the performance.

I am in a similar situation, my current build was back in Dec 2009.

With the release of 64 bit, wanting to go for a new build.

Keeping my case, 650watt PSU and water cooler, the new build with 32 GB RAM looks like going to cost Aussie $ 2300/- with ASUS STRIX 1070.

 

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15 hours ago, Glynn said:

Very happy, there are many aspects of Windows 10 that I do not like, so for now I am happy with a stable Windows 7 system.

The Kaby Lake processors, such as an i7 7700k, is NOT supported by Windows 7. You have to have Windows 10, so there is really not a choice to be made for this generation of processors. Below is one of many articles that discuss this.

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/windows-7-wont-work-intels-current-next-gen-cpus/

 

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7 hours ago, MikeT707 said:

The Kaby Lake processors, such as an i7 7700k, is NOT supported by Windows 7. You have to have Windows 10, so there is really not a choice to be made for this generation of processors. Below is one of many articles that discuss this.

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/windows-7-wont-work-intels-current-next-gen-cpus/

 

Windows 10 Pro it is then....

Thanks for the clarification.

 

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Hi, just a quick comment regarding having more than 1 SSD....I'm sure I'll be corrected if wrong, but when I built my last rig (2014) after following many hours of on-line research - I was led to believe that it was best to have a at least 2 SSDs as you wanted your OS on one and your flight simulator on the other.  It's nothing to do with speed/ performance - but the research from various sources said if you install your Sim on the same SSD as the OS then Windows would interfere with the rights and permissions . Not sure if this is the same with Win 10Pro. Any of you remember NickN's bible It's quite long-winded but it was a great source of information   .

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I've finally decided to leave FSX and move to P3DV4 ...I've waited long enough and can't tolerate any more OOM issues. I've got lots of pay ware though so was worried a bit about losing that investment - mainly various aircraft from A2A, CaptainSim, JustFlight...scenery from ORBX, LatinVFR and FlyTampa  etc. I built the below spec PC back in 2014 for FSX  - but would like your advice on what needs upgrading for P3DV4.

My current view is to :

1) upgrade from Win 7 64 bit Home Premium to Win 10 Pro  ...but I'm not sure if Win 10 is as stable and do I really need to worry about DX11 if I stay with Win 7?

2) I've currently got 8GB Ram (HyperX Beast  8GB 2133MHz ) was thinking of moving up to high quality 32 GB .. now that I can make use of it. Some say 16GB will be enough.

3) upgrade to 250-500GB SSD for Win 10 Pro   - I've almost used up the 120GB SSD for Win 7. Thinking that 500GB will be future proofed. Anything else I've missed. I've only just started to research. Thanks

 

Overclocked Intel® Core™ i7-4790k 4.00GHz OC @ max. 4.7GHz N/A 8MB L2             

Corsair H100i CPU Cooler                

Corsair 850W RM Series Modular              

3GB nvidia GeForce GTX 780                      

HyperX Beast  8GB 2133MHz (max 2 sticks) 

ASUS® MAXIMUS VII RANGER    Z97 Motherboard             

500GB SSD Samsung 840 EVO 6 Gb/s           

1TB SEAGATE SSHD 6 Gb/s 1,000 GB + 8GB                    

The ARCTIC MX-4 inew thermal compound                        

COOLERMASTER CM STORM TROOPER - GAMING ENTHUSIAST CASE               

Win 7 64 bit Home Premium

1 x 120GB Samsung 840 EVO SSD

1 x 500GB SSD Samsung 840 EVO 6 Gb/s           

1 x 1TB SEAGATE SSHD 6 Gb/s 1,000 GB + 8GB               

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35 minutes ago, speedbird438 said:

I've finally decided to leave FSX and move to P3DV4 ...I've waited long enough and can't tolerate any more OOM issues. I've got lots of pay ware though so was worried a bit about losing that investment - mainly various aircraft from A2A, CaptainSim, JustFlight...scenery from ORBX, LatinVFR and FlyTampa  etc. I built the below spec PC back in 2014 for FSX  - but would like your advice on what needs upgrading for P3DV4.

My current view is to :

1) upgrade from Win 7 64 bit Home Premium to Win 10 Pro  ...but I'm not sure if Win 10 is as stable and do I really need to worry about DX11 if I stay with Win 7?

2) I've currently got 8GB Ram (HyperX Beast  8GB 2133MHz ) was thinking of moving up to high quality 32 GB .. now that I can make use of it. Some say 16GB will be enough.

3) upgrade to 250-500GB SSD for Win 10 Pro   - I've almost used up the 120GB SSD for Win 7. Thinking that 500GB will be future proofed. Anything else I've missed. I've only just started to research. Thanks

 

Overclocked Intel® Core™ i7-4790k 4.00GHz OC @ max. 4.7GHz N/A 8MB L2             

Corsair H100i CPU Cooler                

Corsair 850W RM Series Modular              

3GB nvidia GeForce GTX 780                      

HyperX Beast  8GB 2133MHz (max 2 sticks) 

ASUS® MAXIMUS VII RANGER    Z97 Motherboard             

500GB SSD Samsung 840 EVO 6 Gb/s           

1TB SEAGATE SSHD 6 Gb/s 1,000 GB + 8GB                    

The ARCTIC MX-4 inew thermal compound                        

COOLERMASTER CM STORM TROOPER - GAMING ENTHUSIAST CASE               

Win 7 64 bit Home Premium

1 x 120GB Samsung 840 EVO SSD

1 x 500GB SSD Samsung 840 EVO 6 Gb/s           

1 x 1TB SEAGATE SSHD 6 Gb/s 1,000 GB + 8GB               

First off, all of your payware except for captain sim will be a free upgrade to v4 if I'm not mistaken. For the pc:your CPU should be fine, if you were going to upgrade then I'd wait for a Coffee Lake 6 core. The 7700K just isn't a huge improvement over it apples to apples. Again, got cooler should be fine if temperatures are within reason. If you're not upgrading your CPU then the motherboard doesn't need to be touched. Your storage looks good, I'm assuming that SSD is for P3D, case is your preference, I'd upgrade to Windows 10 just for the stability and features alone, it's a great OS, your PSU should be fine as long as you don't plan on SLI, your ram should be bumped up to a 16 GB with 32 shouldn't being necessary for a while. I have 16 and barely hit 50% utilization at KSFO with sliders cranked in the 747, but your GPU will have to go. It's just too underpowered. I have a 1070 and while its a great card, the 1080 would be better considering it's in the same price range now as the 1080ti is out. Obviously; the Ti would be the best but not everyone has 700 dollars to drop on a GPU at the moment. A 1070, 1080, or 1080 Ti would all be great choices, it just depends on your budget.

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Hi, thanks for your response. Hopefully good news regarding my pay ware. I can always use FSX if I want to use the stuff that's not compatible. Was wondering if anyone has dual boot with Win 7 64 with FSX and Win 10 with P3DV4 -is that straight forward - not done dual boots for years.  Glad CPU, PSU, cooling and MB are ok I intend on keeping the current CPU. As for storage my 120GB Samsung 840 EVO SSD for Win 7 is running low (13GB left after clearing what I can and using Win tool to clean it up). I intend on purchasing either 250GB or 500GB  - something equivalent to Samsung  - may be  the 850.  

Thanks for your insight regarding the GPU. I'm surprised the GPU is no longer good enough though  -was hoping for a couple more years of use (3GB nvidia GeForce GTX 780 ). If you believe in the bench test results the GTX 780 is still ranked quite high  Average Bench: 60.9% (29th of 544) @ userbenchtest   but yes...you're right..the 1080 would be better - that's ranked 3rd out 544 tested.

 

 

 

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