ErichB

ENVSHADE released.

Recommended Posts

Help AVSIM continue to serve you!
Please donate today!

Small question. If one already own PTA, what other reasons are there to get Envshade?

Share this post


Link to post

There will be no benefit if you are already using PTA with a preferred preset.  As I understand it, the presets come pre-defined with ENVSHADE so if you don't want to tinker about yourself, then it's a collection of presets you can add as you wish

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
9 minutes ago, TrentXWB said:

Small question. If one already own PTA, what other reasons are there to get Envshade?

No more tweaking

 

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Just now, DJJose said:

No more tweaking

 

Saw that video and with all promotional material it looks great. But I still didnt get the whole idea on how the product works. A tutorial video would be awesome. 

Can you elaborate about not needing to tweak? How does it work exactly? does it work like ASCA, true dynamic?

Share this post


Link to post
8 minutes ago, TrentXWB said:

Saw that video and with all promotional material it looks great. But I still didnt get the whole idea on how the product works. A tutorial video would be awesome. 

Can you elaborate about not needing to tweak? How does it work exactly? does it work like ASCA, true dynamic?

I think that in order to get the full value of this addon you need ENVTEX. I downloaded their user's manual from the product page and it does a good job explaining how ENVTEX along with the preset shaders enhance the flight experience. If you have ASCA it integrates nicely with dynamic & global modes. Check out their manual.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
15 minutes ago, TrentXWB said:

Can you elaborate about not needing to tweak? How does it work exactly? does it work like ASCA, true dynamic?

Think of Envshade like a PTA preset you can't tweak, which was made solely to "lock down" their settings so people couldn't steal them or modify. So you just apply a locked down PTA preset.

Share this post


Link to post

With all due respect to the developers, I just find that the more modifications made to P3D v4 with "eye candy" just seem to invite more issues when upgrading the platform. I just try to stick with the basics...maybe mesh and landclass..all this shader stuff is foreign to me and I think brings on grief later on...just my input. Maybe I'm completely wrong and if I can be educated, please do. Regards, Peter Webber.

  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post
1 hour ago, TrentXWB said:

Small question. If one already own PTA, what other reasons are there to get Envshade?

Basic query - if you have PTA installed/running, presumably to go to Envshade you need to disable or uninstall PTA?

Anyone got Envshade, & is that aspect explained?

T45

Share this post


Link to post

So basically, its like you are buying a PTA preset but without the need for the PTA software.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
1 minute ago, shaheen said:

So basically, its like you are buying a PTA preset but without the need for the PTA software.

That's how I see it.

I have PTA and Matts preset = job done for me.

 

  • Upvote 3

Share this post


Link to post
16 minutes ago, Peter Webber said:

With all due respect to the developers, I just find that the more modifications made to P3D v4 with "eye candy" just seem to invite more issues when upgrading the platform. I just try to stick with the basics...maybe mesh and landclass..all this shader stuff is foreign to me and I think brings on grief later on...just my input. Maybe I'm completely wrong and if I can be educated, please do. Regards, Peter Webber.

Shader modifications don't create issues as you can restore original shaders at any time.  There is no grief about adding a shader mod - and the results are truly amazing.  I use PTA and it is without doubt one of the best modifications I could have made to my sim.  If you are only sticking to mesh and landclass to enhance your sim, you are missing out.

  • Upvote 3

Share this post


Link to post
14 minutes ago, Peter Webber said:

With all due respect to the developers, I just find that the more modifications made to P3D v4 with "eye candy" just seem to invite more issues when upgrading the platform. I just try to stick with the basics...maybe mesh and landclass..all this shader stuff is foreign to me and I think brings on grief later on...just my input. Maybe I'm completely wrong and if I can be educated, please do. Regards, Peter Webber.

If this is how you feel you should go for a freeware like Re-Shade, it is independent of which version of PD3 you use as it uses DX11 code directly on your GPU.

This is what I use:cool:.

Regards,
Simbol

Share this post


Link to post
56 minutes ago, DJJose said:

I think that in order to get the full value of this addon you need ENVTEX. I downloaded their user's manual from the product page and it does a good job explaining how ENVTEX along with the preset shaders enhance the flight experience. If you have ASCA it integrates nicely with dynamic & global modes. Check out their manual.

This is also my understanding, I am not 100% sure but I think ENVSHADE is an add-on to ENVTEX.

Regards,
Simbol

Share this post


Link to post
12 minutes ago, simbol said:

This is also my understanding, I am not 100% sure but I think ENVSHADE is an add-on to ENVTEX.

Regards,
Simbol

It's a stand alone addon. It's just shader mods that work well with Envtex.

Share this post


Link to post
4 minutes ago, DJJose said:

It's a stand alone addon. It's just shader mods that work well with Envtex.

Ok

Share this post


Link to post
54 minutes ago, Peter Webber said:

With all due respect to the developers, I just find that the more modifications made to P3D v4 with "eye candy" just seem to invite more issues when upgrading the platform. I just try to stick with the basics...maybe mesh and landclass..all this shader stuff is foreign to me and I think brings on grief later on...just my input. Maybe I'm completely wrong and if I can be educated, please do. Regards, Peter Webber.

I thought the same but bought PTA anyway after all the raving reviews. At first I was very disappointed but that was due to all the crappy presets you can download out there... In the end I settled with Matt's own PTA preset and I have to say... I love it! The nicest thing it does imho is how it makes things in the distance a bit blue which makes everything look a LOT more realistic! I also like the deeper shadows and the slightly richer colors. But again, that's with Matt's preset: most other preset totally destroy the graphics.

Anyway, to get back on topic: ENVSHADE is indeed some sort of standalone and locked PTA preset. But obviously you do not HAVE to edit presets in PTA: I simply loaded Matt's preset and I was done. So for me there is no reason to get ENVSHADE right now. I like to decide myself if I want to edit/tweak or not. But I have to add that if I didn't own PTA yet I might as well have gotten ENVSHADE: it is a lot cheaper. (In fact, PTA is a bit overpriced imho.) And I did like PTAbsolute (which was the name of ENVSHADE before they locked and sold it).

Share this post


Link to post
34 minutes ago, simbol said:

This is also my understanding, I am not 100% sure but I think ENVSHADE is an add-on to ENVTEX.

Regards,
Simbol

Per their website--5 euros with a discount if you already own ENVTEX. Supposed to be on Simmarket soon.

Share this post


Link to post
11 minutes ago, vp49p3 said:

Per their website--5 euros with a discount if you already own ENVTEX. Supposed to be on Simmarket soon.

They actually changed that, its now discounted for everyone for the next two weeks as it was too complicated to set up conditional discounts for existing Envtex users (according to Maxime)

Full price on simmarket is EUR 5.60, with the discount its EUR 4.80

Share this post


Link to post

Not being one who wants or has the skill to spend endless time fiddling with settings in a sim; and never having obtained PTA, this seems like it could be a worthwhile investment for me.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post

I'd bet that most people who use PTA find a preset and stick with that. EnvShade seems a better choice for the average user as there is less tinkering and as a result less chance for something to go wrong.

  • Upvote 2

Share this post


Link to post

Here's the incredible amount of settings and sliders in the new app called Envdir:

 High Quality vs. High Performance. I'm a bit disappointed about that, although there's for sure more to come in future updates.

screenshot_28jssp4.jpg

 

With ENVshade enabled, P3D looks like out-of-the box: Now it's grey and colors are bleached out.

I assume, something must have gone wrong on my setup, as it's far away from the screenshots on simmarket - I'm going to restore the original shaders now and will give it another try then.

I'm already missing the combo I've used before: URP1.1, Reshade and P3D-internal HDR. Price: zero $ :)

Share this post


Link to post

I like the idea of PTA, which gives the user the flexibility to either:

1) use a preset (set it and forget it) - These are free and many are available

2) create a preset

3) edit an existing preset

With Envshade, it just seems that you buy a preset and that is it. 

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post

As I understand it, the big difference between PTA and ENSHADE is that ENVSHADE modifies the shaders in real time based on time of day, weather, altitude and so on.

I have yet to find a PTA preset that fits perfectly with all conditions. ENVSHADE is supposed to fix that.

 

 

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.