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So MS in their majestic wisdom insist on downloading soundcard drivers, graphics drivers AND even drivers for my Saitek controllers.... even though I do not want any of them... for good reason.

I am literally at the end of my tether. They are sucking the life from my very soul.

 

What the heck is wrong with those people ?

Do they have the IQ of a gnat ?

- I do NOT want new GeForce drivers.

- I do NOT want Realtek drivers, ad they cause issues with my Soundblaster.

- I do NOT want the Saitek drivers as I use other programs to assign functions.

 

They install all this crud, I uninstall, and they reinstall it again.

I am absolutely sick of those (insert really abusive insult here).

 

They must really hate gamers using PCs don't they... ? It wouldn't surprise me if this is what it was all about. Last week, I couldn't even download a demo of THEIR OWN games, as an update had broken the store...!!! You really could not make it up.

I have tried using O and O shut up windows, but they have somehow found a way around it, and once a week, a portal opens and down come the updated drivers.

The only other option as I see it, is to update to 'Win 10 Pro'  which allows many updates to be delayed - other than security updates - for up to 12 months. Only have to worry about it once a year then,  instead of every few days.

 

Yes, I'm a drama queen, but it takes months to get stuff setup, and they can destroy it all in the space of minutes. It feels as though someone has come into your house and rearranged your furniture... I feel violated every time they do this.

I need to lie down in a dark room. Oh Windows 7, I miss you.

Vent over.

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I am thinking of taking my computer to the shop and having them clean my disk and install Windows 7.  I have a hate-hate relationship with Windows 10 for the same reasons you describe.  

The only thing stopping me is the daunting task of having to reinstall all my simulators all over again.

When I talk to the guy at the computer shop about dong tis for me he says, "Microsoft is going to quit supporting Windows 7 next year."  Well, that's the point isn't it?

Noel

 

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2 minutes ago, BBoyJD10 said:

I've never had an issue.... its shocking how some people can have so many problems 😕

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Windows 10 since day 1 here, take updates every week automatically. No problems ever with Windows updates and P3Dv3, P3Dv4, XPlane, DCS or FSX-SE.

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The Saitek drivers are a major annoyance. I have an old X-45 because I've yet to find a better all-around stick to replace it with, but the Saitek drivers don't work under Windows 10. I can get around it by using a generic driver, but Windows keeps futzing with it every few weeks, and then I have to fool around with killing the drivers that shouldn't be there in the first place and re-installing the ones that work. 

Between that and all the other dumb things Win10 tends to do... Well, P3d is supposed to be for learning stuff about aviation, but I find myself almost as frequently learning stuff about fixing Windows' foul ups. 😉

 

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I am very time limited due to all of the development work I do, so when I can finally set aside maybe an hour or two for "play time" it almost never fails that when I start up the sim computer, Windows 10 decides that it's a dandy time to download and install a bunch of stupid updates...

...and seems to delight in taking so long that by the time it's done my "play time" has expired. :marah:

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O&O Software have a utility called, "ShutUp10" free for personal use.

Among other things, it can enable you to prevent driver updates.

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Yes. Windows 10 is a scourge. It will only get worse.

I am going to get the Pro license and minimise any unnecessary updates.

People that say you can switch off updates are incorrect to a degree... they can only be postponed.

Many issues were been created by 1709 and 1803. Some are lucky. All installs are different.

I just loved how with earlier versions of Windows, you could just 'freeze' your PC like a console. Everything worked, and nothing threatened to break it. Image it, and even catastrophe can be managed.

And, unfortunately, with Kaby Lake I cannot simply go back to Win 7. It is not supported.

I don't really care about my other PCs and laptops, but my P3D install, is 325 GB, without any photoscenery. It is a finally tuned complex entity. It is like a giant, very expensive, Jenga puzzle. Watch Microsoft topple it over... again !

LM update stuff, Microsoft update stuff, and the devs play catch up... or some just give up as they cannot keep up with the constant changes.

It will become a nightmare eventually. Ever moving goalposts is not what we need. Stability is key.

And of course, look at FSUIPC... this stops working sometimes after LM or MS updates. Has anyone considered what happens if Peter gives up... or..... worse (like getting abducted by aliens !)

What would we do without FSUIPC.... can anyone, or would anyone take over ?

Just a thought. Stability is key. LM and MS together, is far from that.

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2 minutes ago, Gabe777 said:

Peter gives up... or..... worse (like getting abducted by aliens !

If Pete gets abducted by aliens that'll be the day I stop simming.😮

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It`s not all down to Microsoft hardware manufactures will not update drivers for W10 on older hardware they want you to by new they got that idea from apple.

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Support for Windows 7 is going to end early 2020, so you have some time before that if you decide to go win Win7...

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Permanently disable updates :

How do I permanently turn off Windows 10 update?
To block the upgrade by using Computer Configuration, follow these steps:
  1. Click Computer Configuration.
  2. Click Policies.
  3. Click Administrative Templates.
  4. Click Windows Components.
  5. Click Windows Update.
  6. Double-click Turn off the upgrade to the latest version of Windows through Windows Update.
  7. Click Enable.
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1 hour ago, Afterburner said:

Support for Windows 7 is going to end early 2020, so you have some time before that if you decide to go win Win7...

It will still work just fine after that, as a matter of fact every software they ever wrote still works, from MS-DOS to Windows 3.1, Windows 95 etc etc etc All still work just fine.

If you wanted to use Windows 7 until the year 3037 nothing to stop you from doing that 😄

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People that say you can switch off updates are incorrect to a degree... they can only be postponed

I sincerely hope that there is a way around that. I do not want Windows updating my graphics drivers without my permission.....EVER. I am still using Windows 7 at the moment, but I know that I will have to "upgrade" to Windows 10 when I get a new PC (hopefully next year).

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13 hours ago, Gabe777 said:

So MS in their majestic wisdom insist on downloading soundcard drivers, graphics drivers AND even drivers for my Saitek controllers.... even though I do not want any of them... for good reason.

I am literally at the end of my tether. They are sucking the life from my very soul.

 

What the heck is wrong with those people ?

Do they have the IQ of a gnat ?

- I do NOT want new GeForce drivers.

- I do NOT want Realtek drivers, ad they cause issues with my Soundblaster.

- I do NOT want the Saitek drivers as I use other programs to assign functions.

 

They install all this crud, I uninstall, and they reinstall it again.

I am absolutely sick of those (insert really abusive insult here).

Been waiting ages for somebody to speak out on this after MS's Win10 screwed up a perfectly running system with their word-not-allowed Updates Updates, my foot!

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6 hours ago, Delta111 said:
o block the upgrade by using Computer Configuration, follow these steps:
  1. Click Computer Configuration.
  2. Click Policies.
  3. Click Administrative Templates.
  4. Click Windows Components.
  5. Click Windows Update.
  6. Double-click Turn off the upgrade to the latest version of Windows through Windows Update.
  7. Click Enable

Tried that,they found a way to sneak back.

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Just now, vc10man said:

Tried that,they found a way to sneak back

Yup.  I've tried every trick in the book to turn off windows updates.  But sure enough, after a few weeks  i have another Microsoft  gun at my head saying updates have been installed and Windows will reboot - like it or not.    Drives me insane.

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7 hours ago, Matthew Kane said:

It will still work just fine after that, as a matter of fact every software they ever wrote still works, from MS-DOS to Windows 3.1, Windows 95 etc etc etc All still work just fine.

If you wanted to use Windows 7 until the year 3037 nothing to stop you from doing that 😄

Glad you said that,Matthew. Exactly same views. I know of people still using Windows XP, and they have no problems.

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11 hours ago, Bills511 said:

If Pete gets abducted by aliens that'll be the day I stop simming.😮

On a really serious note.... what will happen ?

Pete is basically a God, but probably isn't actually God.

Is he training anyone to take over "when he retires" ?

Am I the only person to have ever wondered about this ?

I know it's an unsavoury topic, but I've said it.

 

(I know little about coding, but I do know that without FSUIPC, our simming would not be as good or stable, and with constant updates from LM and MS, it appears to require tweaks from Pete regularly...... gee, I don't know.)

 

 

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2 hours ago, vc10man said:

Tried that,they found a way to sneak back.

Well I just got a Pro license and Group Policy appears to allow you to Disable auto updating. The updates are shown, but not installed.

However, it also appears that to ensure it works correctly, you must also go into updates ...and then go into advanced settings ...and then you have to use the drop down menus to delay updates all the way to 365 days. There are 2 of these that need adjusting.

Hopefully this means that no updates will automatically be installed for at least 12 months.

So what I am planning is that when major feature updates come out, once I am happy that there are no Ill effects on my games or p3d, I can THEN download them (AFTER disabling the group policy to stop the updates) and then re-enable it, for a further 12 months.

We will see if this works.... lolly lolly lol lol !

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3 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

I sincerely hope that there is a way around that. I do not want Windows updating my graphics drivers without my permission.....EVER. I am still using Windows 7 at the moment, but I know that I will have to "upgrade" to Windows 10 when I get a new PC (hopefully next year).

I hear you. There is nothing worse than having a perfectly running system, and an update screws it all up.

You swear.... a lot ! I needed an extra Valium (Zanex) yesterday when I had to uninstall that blessed soundcard driver for the 10th time. So I came on here to vent.... don't know why but it helps !

I really hope this Group Policy control in Pro, works..... but to be honest, I am not holding my breath. It is Microsoft after all..... who wouldn't let me buy Forza 7, as they messed up their own Store ! WT bleep ?

Seriously ?

What is their problem ? No competition.... simple.

GPUs and CPUs get better all the time. Flightsim addons do to. Why ? Competition.

Windows has none really. Not many people use MACs or Linux for gaming, as it is too restrictive on many levels. I mean, I bet 95% of simmers use Windows, for many reasons.

Bottom line is that with P3D and Windows constantly evolving, we are in a situation of constant flux and uncertainty. P3D adapts to Windows changes, addon devs adapt to both, and so on.

The fun will never stop... unfortunately.

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