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Why do developers keep avoiding making a good Pilatus Porter?

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It's a question I've had for some years. I guess it would be appreciated a lot by simmers. C'mon developers, make a good PC6!!! Simmers community will be very happy!!!

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Creative will?    Although the Porter has a passionate following by some, it's not the most aesthetically pleasing aircraft.  It would be fun though

I'm not sure why the one produced by/for Aerosoft never made it to market - I believe their were some personality clashes between the developer and the publisher. but that project was almost as old as the aircraft itself.

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24 minutes ago, stesma54 said:

It's a question I've had for some years. I guess it would be appreciated a lot by simmers. C'mon developers, make a good PC6!!! Simmers community will be very happy!!!

Good question.  I like the look of the PC6, a great taildragger with bags of power in that tprop in the long nose up front.  I am sure one will be made someday, there are a lot of aircraft I would love to see.  I would love to see someone do a Cessna P210 for instance.  There is the Piper Malibu but a nice high wing, classic pressurized piston would be great to see.  I have seen both the P210 and the Piper  Malibu up close, the latter I have seen taxiing in Casa Grande, AZ at the Copper State airshow that used to be held there, now held in Buckeye AZ.  I have the Malibu Mirage in P3D, great aircraft with wonderful manners, Carenado provides it along with two versions of the Tprop Malibu. 

One thing I look forward to, with two top sims and also Aerofly FS2, are more add-ons over time.  I usually purchase one a month and I alternate add-ons in my Xplane11 and P3DV4.4 flights for endless hours of unique simming plus endless city pairs for enjoying them, especially over my Xplane11 homespun Southwest US Ortho scenery which covers from west Texas to the Oregon California border, and my P3D MSE and homespun Colorado and Wyoming scenery.  A decent PC6 would be fun to have in either sim!  Thanks for the suggestion, there are developers who see our requests and jump at the chance to fulfill them, although dev time may take up to a year unless one is already in the works.

John

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Good question, no one's developed a Fairchild version F-27 or FH-227 either, both were popular in the U.S. 

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33 minutes ago, jymp said:

Good question, no one's developed a Fairchild version F-27 or FH-227 either, both were popular in the U.S. 

There is one for P3D by Justflight, it's been out for a few years now. Rather decent, includes most civilian F-27 variants.

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I'm not sure they keep "avoiding" making one...I'm just not sure the demand is there.  I'd love to have one in real life, but for flightsim or P3D, I think they'd be boring...cruise speed is around that of a 182, and I haven't really found a good simulation of bush flying in the game.  The PT6 is about as bulletproof and hands off as a turboprop can be, so there's not much in terms of additional workload.

It's a cool airplane for sure. It's capabilities are outstanding.  I just don't think it's qualities would really translate to the game.

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Same applies the the Helio Courier! I have been waiting for this great STOL aircraft to appear as payware or freeware since my FS9 days but although we now have a vast amount of simulated aircraft available covering almost all the well known types, no developer ever seems to have given the Helio a look. I had a few hours of real world flying in this and it was an amazing aircraft with bags of power and various high lift devices which gave it a fantastic takeoff run of just a few aircraft lengths and incredible manoeuvrability at very low speeds (under 30kts). The only downside was a somewhat cantankerous engine but that shouldn’t put developers off!

Bill

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The same could be said of every aspect of flight sims....Why hasn't any developer developed taxi cab/car rental companies that service the airports?🤡

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My goto aircraft for 90% of my flying in P3Dv4 is the Lionheart Quest Kodiak.  It has STOL capabilities and will cruise at 180kts.  Comes in both land and float versions, although I had to adjust the contact points for the float version and disable the sparks in the effects folder for runway operations.

I do miss the FSD Porter that I flew a lot in FS9.  I don't know why FSD won't make it compatible with P3D.  It came in wheel, float, and ski versions with a ton of liveries.

 

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Other planes missing are  Maule [USA]   Gippsland [Australia]

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There is (or was?) an old free model of the PC-6 in the X-Plane .org file library. Probably not compatible with the current XP11 due to major changes in the turboprop modeling.

I remember doing a few flights in it years ago, in FSEconomy. Fun plane for STOL takeoff and landing, and it does that "stand on the prop" thing in Beta for rapid descents. But for all that power, man is it sloooow! It's a real pig in cruise, but that's common for many rugged bush planes with fixed gear.

The good news for PC-6 fans (in X-Plane at least) is that Thranda has a new one in the works, and it looks like it's getting close to release. Thranda is the outfit that does all the Carenado conversions for XP, so the quality should be very good.

Here's the announcement page with some images (also check page 4 for some interior previews): 

https://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/forums/topic/156262-announcing-the-pilatus-pc6-project/

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Fond memories of the FSD Porter, made even three liveries for it.

A Porter was being developped for about four years for Aerosoft by one of the best indie developpers in this industry, Marcel Felde. His Do27 for Fs9 was nothing short of amazing, inside out. 

It would've been an instant hit and I suppose that didn't encourage any other house to invest time and money there. Marcel gave up some months back for some personal reasons.

On 4/16/2019 at 1:57 PM, ACR said:

I'm not sure they keep "avoiding" making one...I'm just not sure the demand is there.  I'd love to have one in real life, but for flightsim or P3D, I think they'd be boring...cruise speed is around that of a 182, and I haven't really found a good simulation of bush flying in the game.  The PT6 is about as bulletproof and hands off as a turboprop can be, so there's not much in terms of additional workload.

It's a cool airplane for sure. It's capabilities are outstanding.  I just don't think it's qualities would really translate to the game.

Looking for a good simulation of bush flying ? Two suggestions if I may : the two Papua New Guinea sceneries and the Central Rocky Mountains region which includes Idaho, all from Orbx. You get short flights, challenging navigation and sloped dirt strips . 

A Pilatus would be a dream come true there  (dive landing anybody ?).  

BTW, the PC6 has been discontinued by Pilatus.

 

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On 4/16/2019 at 5:01 PM, birdguy said:

My goto aircraft for 90% of my flying in P3Dv4 is the Lionheart Quest Kodiak.  

The Lionheart Kodiak is an excellent product but one which I think sometimes gets overlooked by the flightsim community in favour of more well known bush aircraft such as the Beaver. Lionheart products are also frequently available at sale prices when it is possible to obtain this aircraft for a steal (30% off at the moment at PCAviator).

Bill

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On 4/19/2019 at 10:40 AM, domkle said:

Two suggestions if I may : the two Papua New Guinea sceneries and the Central Rocky Mountains region which includes Idaho, all from Orbx. You get short flights, challenging navigation and sloped dirt strips .

  

Thanks!  I'll check'em out!

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On 4/16/2019 at 5:36 AM, ErichB said:

it's not the most aesthetically pleasing aircraft

I second that!

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For me that was part of it's charm.  It was strictly utility, designed for a specific job which it did well.

One of the features I liked about the FSD Porter was the knob on the panel that let you configure the interior for passenger seats, boxes of cargo, or sky diver benches.

It remains my favorite bush aircraft and if it were available for P3Dv4 I would certainly add it to my collection of bush planes where it would be in the first row right alongside my Kodiak.

And I would be willing to pay a premium price for it.

Noel

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2 hours ago, birdguy said:

For me that was part of it's charm.  It was strictly utility, designed for a specific job which it did well.

I thought so too. The cockpit is as ugly/utilitarian as the exterior. It's basically a Piper Cub on steroids.

I'm a little surprised Pilatus ceased production, but I guess they wanted to focus more on upscale aircraft with a better profit margin. The Caravan probably replaced it in many areas, with better performance and range.

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On 4/16/2019 at 5:18 AM, stesma54 said:

It's a question I've had for some years. I guess it would be appreciated a lot by simmers. C'mon developers, make a good PC6!!! Simmers community will be very happy!!!

here is one that has been out for a while.

http://www.fsd-international.com/Hangar/Porter/

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One great Xplane11 aircraft is the Eurofox, which includes tri-gear, taildragger and float versions.  It is a great STOL aircraft as most aircraft in the Microlight category are, able to get off the ground in less than 500 feet.  I love it for Bush flying.  In P3DV4 I do not have a great Bush Aircraft but the Justflight Drifter is a good, open air, low and slow aircraft for Bush flying.  I have the Lionheart Epic for P3DV4 and the Aerobask Epic for Xplane11, the Epic is a good turboprop and the kit plane builders have a club they call the "400 knot" club, for those pilots that hit 400 knots KTAS with a tailwind, pretty amazing in a single engine turboprop, Cessna Citation like speeds with greater fuel efficiency. 

John

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3 hours ago, John_Cillis said:

One great Xplane11 aircraft is the Eurofox, which includes tri-gear, taildragger and float versions.  It is a great STOL aircraft as most aircraft in the Microlight category are, able to get off the ground in less than 500 feet.  I love it for Bush flying.  In P3DV4 I do not have a great Bush Aircraft but the Justflight Drifter is a good, open air, low and slow aircraft for Bush flying.  I have the Lionheart Epic for P3DV4 and the Aerobask Epic for Xplane11, the Epic is a good turboprop and the kit plane builders have a club they call the "400 knot" club, for those pilots that hit 400 knots KTAS with a tailwind, pretty amazing in a single engine turboprop, Cessna Citation like speeds with greater fuel efficiency. 

John

Bush flying is not only about STOL landing but about hauling pax and stuff to STOL landing 😉 . As much stuff as possible. The PC6 is no Microlight I assure you she's a big aircraft 11 m long, 3.2 m high with a 16 m wingspan! You feel kinda small when you see one in real for the first time.

 

13 hours ago, parachutem said:

here is one that has been out for a while.

http://www.fsd-international.com/Hangar/Porter/

A while is an understatement 😂. I've flown the FSD bird for hundreds of hours in FS9 and loved it but it is just that, an excellent Fs9 aircraft with a disappointing cosmetic brushup when FSX was released (the fuzzy dice). And I doubt it'd work in P3D v3 or v4.  Also, one has to remember before buying that the FSD team is no more, they split not long after FSX was released and their site is now only store for old products.

 

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2 hours ago, domkle said:

Bush flying is not only about STOL landing but about hauling pax and stuff to STOL landing 😉 . As much stuff as possible. The PC6 is no Microlight I assure you she's a big aircraft 11 m long, 3.2 m high with a 16 m wingspan! You feel kinda small when you see one in real for the first time.

 

A while is an understatement 😂. I've flown the FSD bird for hundreds of hours in FS9 and loved it but it is just that, an excellent Fs9 aircraft with a disappointing cosmetic brushup when FSX was released (the fuzzy dice). And I doubt it'd work in P3D v3 or v4.  Also, one has to remember before buying that the FSD team is no more, they split not long after FSX was released and their site is now only store for old products.

 

I bet the PC6 must also have a throaty growl.  It is so funny, I was shopping near my home in Avondale Arizona, not far from Goodyear's airport where Lufthansa was doing their pilot training, when I heard the sound of a jet overhead, albeit a quiet one.  I looked up and to my surprise it was not a jet, but a Pilatus PC12....  The turboprop just sounded like a jet as it soared over at landing throttle turning towards final in Goodyear, it did not have the turboprop sound I was used to from flying in so many puddle jumpers.

John

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1 hour ago, John_Cillis said:

I looked up and to my surprise it was not a jet, but a Pilatus PC12.... 

By chance I saw a single contrail in the sky over my home 2 days ago and, as it is unusual to see a single contrail in this area, I thought I would check FR24 to see what it was as the engine sound was barely perceptible. It turned out to be a PC-12 from Luton to Shannon at FL260. We get the occasional An-12 from Eastern European 'tramp cargo' carriers flying overhead inbound to or outbound from Shannon, their transatlantic fuelling point, and I can almost always tell correctly in advance that it is going to be an Antonov from the unique reverberating sound of those Ivchenko turboprop engines. The only turboprop sound that was even more reverberating and dramatic was that of the Douglas C-133 Cargomaster and back in late 60s when the USAF/MAC still used these, they would regularly overfly my home on flights to Europe usually at quite a low altitude (were they unpressurised?) the sound often causing various things in the house to vibrate which irritated my parents although I loved it! If they were around today, I suspect that the politically correct noise lobby would have had them banned!

Bill

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On ‎4‎/‎21‎/‎2019 at 2:03 PM, parachutem said:

here is one that has been out for a while.

http://www.fsd-international.com/Hangar/Porter/

It sure has.  I flew it a lot in FS2004.  But we are in a new age of simulators now.  And while I still have FS2004 on my system and go back to the Porter some afternoons we need one for P3D.

Noel

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Bill, Old Shakey, the C-124 flying apartment house was a real noise maker, both inside and outside.  I had several flights in one when I was stationed in Japan.

Later, when I was stationed at Hamilton Field in California an Old Shakey would come on two or three times a month from Travis.  Back then remote garage door openers were just hitting the market and if one of those aircraft took off to the north garage doors in Novato would open and close.  I have no idea what caused it but they tried to make them take off over the bay if at all possible to avoid the local's complaints.

Noel

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Yes I can remember a few C-124 overflights too. I had an airband radio at the time and used to listen in to overflying traffic whenever I had the chance. As the Cold War was still at its height, there were a lot of military flights across the Atlantic between North America and Europe in those days, mainly with C-97s, C-124s, C-133s and later C-141s. The C-124s must have been unpressurised I guess as they always seem to cruise at low altitudes (usually FL080 or 090) and I can’t imagine that the long transatlantic trip at those altitudes in something as noisy as Old Shakey can have been much fun! Hope your flights were shorter ones Noel!

Bill

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