12 hours ago, sjt said:

..very close to exactly what I've been thinking, too. They are not even in the same business, so it makes sense to find some synergies

Imagine, an F-35 weapons system powered by Windows 10.  "Ooops, something went wrong... Please contact your systems administrator"

The FS trailer is among the E3´s most viewed ones:
 

https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/1138851365340553216

Edited June 13, 20196 yr by ca_metal

From the FS2CREW Facebook page

 

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FS2Crew and Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020:

Gents, I've received several emails asking my opinion on the newly announced FS2020.

So here are my cosmic thoughts on the matter :-)

1. FS2Crew follows the big fish, like PMDG, Aerosoft, Majestic Software, FS Labs, etc.

At the end of the day, we go where they go since we build expansion packs for their planes (UGCX and RAAS notwithstanding of course).

2. I've been simming since the days of the old VIC 20 and the Commodore 64. I've basically been a 1st hand witness to the history of flight simulation from its infancy to where it stands now. That said, my own personal view is to adopt a very cautious, but hopeful, stance with FS2020.

The trailer look amazing, but information is very scarce at the moment and it's way too premature to jump to any conclusions.

No body knows anything except Microsoft.

3. But why do I say cautious the humble simmer asks? Because recent history would suggest that Microsoft may try to control and monetize the addon market if you look at what happened with MS Flight, etc.

Microsoft has apparently not reached out to the addon developer community, which to be honest isn't really an encouraging sign.

But again, I pray I'm totally off on this. I'm waiting with baited breath for MS to announce an SDK so we can get inside the sim, but.... you know....

FS2Crew's position is that without a robust, free and liberal and open 3rd party addon sphere, the sim will surely die like others have before it.

Addons, freeware and payware, keep the sim alive, and addons are what makes the hobby a hobby.

Microsoft, we hope you're listening 

 

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If they don't have enough bandwidth to load a web page, they are in for a harsh awakening.

There are plenty of us in countries that just have to put up with low band width, to the extent of not being to watch You Tube movies.  Best I ever see is 350 Kb/s. Not much better than dial up, if you know what that is.

I just hope the new FS comes out on 20 or more DVD's.

So we WON"T be in for a harsh awakening.

8 minutes ago, ca_metal said:

The FS trailer is among the E3´s most viewed ones:
 

https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/1138851365340553216

I wonder if those are unique IP address views or just the total number of times it was viewed. I viewed it about 100 times my self. O.o

6 hours ago, Motormike said:

AS = Aces Studio? 

I think so...

What has not been chatted about is the possibility of network flying via Xbox Game Pass..

It could be interesting..& of course, Microsoft is going to monetize this whole thing.

Great times are coming!

A new Flight SImulator using full power of new CPUs and GPUs.
HP Reverb uses Microsoft VR program.
VR will be finally a dream come true.

 

8 minutes ago, mestregroda said:

I think so...

 

8 minutes ago, mestregroda said:

I think so...

AS = Alpha Sim

the next teaser will have planes with BS (Beta Sim)

AS = Aerosoft ,  but they say "No comment" 😎

4 hours ago, tonywob said:

PMDG's problem is that they want the 100% and to control everything and P3D and FSX allowed this easily. If it were to appear on MS's store, their products would be up against far cheaper ones as well, and they'd have to drop their prices (FS2020 not being a professional simulator like P3D). This of course may not be the case and MS may allow anyone to make addons and distribute as they please, but it does seem likely there will be an addon store inside the simulator itself.

That is really speculatory, IMO!

Also, you claim, that PMDG would be forced to drop prices, if they were to announce/sell their products on MS Store? Again, speculation - AND you're basing that conclusion on the assumption, that PMDG's prices is already too high, for what you're getting. That's your own opinion, which you cleverly are generalizing. I really don't think, that PMDG would have any problems, with maintaining their prices on a 3rd-party store. Personally I don't think, that PMDG's prices are too expensive... But again, that's purely my own opinon... 

 

50 minutes ago, Torg Smith said:

I wonder if those are unique IP address views or just the total number of times it was viewed. I viewed it about 100 times my self. O.o

A lot of surprise on Twitter about how popular Flight Sim is. Almost the same level of surprise as it is to Americans that football/soccer is popular around the rest of the world. 😁

Thank goodness MFS trailer views are above Animal Crossings: New Horizons. Might as well cancel the Flight Sim reboot if fluffy cartoon characters could beat it!

1 hour ago, HighTowers said:

We are for sure somewhat delusional with our expectations because we dont have a full features list, and have a ton of questions of what it will have or not have, but my gosh, negativity doesnt get anywhere. Dont burst the bubble of reasonable excitement.

Alright... Sure, we won't. But please don't go the other way either!

There's a lot of 'evidence' in this thread, that is getting tossed around. Users are just jumping on the 'hype-train', or even boosting it, with bold - and might I say baseless - claims of features which will be included, without a shred of evidence of anything other than a teaser (or trailer). We know next to nothing about this. 

Yes, this could be everything we wanted in a sim (from our small community-perspective). But it could just as easily be the opposite. What we expect and want in a sim, might be totally different in what Microsoft has planned. What we consider a 'failure' (<-- a word that's also is getting tossed around here a lot) might be considered Microsoft's demographics and a succes from their point of view... Who knows? No-one. Yet - besides Microsoft. 

2 minutes ago, Anders Bermann said:

Also, you claim, that PMDG would be forced to drop prices, if they were to announce/sell their products on MS Store?

No, I'm not saying they'd be forced to, but it would certainly be a harder sell for someone less familiar with PMDG if they see similar products half the price.

What is very much evident once you leave the PMDG enthusiast bubble is that not everyone uses flight sims as a study-level tool, some just like to fly around and look at scenery, others like helicopters, and others just want multiplayer. The reason PMDG and others originally hiked their prices up was because it was for P3D and they could get away with it (because apparently it's a professional simulator). FS2020 will be a game, being marketed as a game, and likely not marketed towards the same folk who think those prices are acceptable. I certainly don't think the prices are acceptable, and I know I'm not alone, but this is just my opinion also. If I was actually going to use the PMDG aircraft as a study-tool, then maybe, but for a game or casual simming, I draw the line at that cost.

 

2 minutes ago, F737NG said:

 

A lot of surprise on Twitter about how popular Flight Sim is. Almost the same level of surprise as it is to Americans that football/soccer is popular around the rest of the world. 😁

Thank goodness MFS trailer views are above Animal Crossings: New Horizons. Might as well cancel the Flight Sim reboot if fluffy cartoon characters could beat it!

I think this one is even more interesting (Likes vs Dislikes):

 

If you don't believe on the number of views, likes vs dislikes on the videos would be more accurate to measure the popularity. And the MSFS is also on the top.