7 minutes ago, snglecoil said:

Not to further make a  mountain out of a molehill (ba dum tsss) but I really do hope MS includes this feature. I honestly had never really cared as most of the airports I fly into are relatively flat. Not perfectly flat by any stretch, but flat enough that I never thought it was critical to include in the sim.  A couple of weeks ago I made an practice approach into an airport in the Appalachian foothills I'd never been to before. When it lifted the hood at minimums, I was greeted with this magnificently undulating runway! Not the sight picture I was ready for. It was really a cool experience and would be very welcome in the sim.

Thing is, once you have tasted it like in XPlane or even better in real life, it's really hard to go back to flat and cartoonish runways...

10 minutes ago, snglecoil said:

Not to further make a  mountain out of a molehill (ba dum tsss) but I really do hope MS includes this feature. I honestly had never really cared as most of the airports I fly into are relatively flat. Not perfectly flat by any stretch, but flat enough that I never thought it was critical to include in the sim.  A couple of weeks ago I made an practice approach into an airport in the Appalachian foothills I'd never been to before. When it lifted the hood at minimums, I was greeted with this magnificently undulating runway! Not the sight picture I was ready for. It was really a cool experience and would be very welcome in the sim.

Love flying the small airports in the Appalachians. I even remodeled the mesh and enhanced Harlan County Reg'l (a land carrier of an airport !) I wish that OrbX woud do a fat region for KY, TN and WV instead of rehashing the West coast.

Mind to tell us what airport it was ?

24 minutes ago, dtrjones said:

When FSX came around the lack of sloped runways was more or less accepted because it was a Microsoft sim, but the chatter was are there cloud shadows, is that a cloud shadow or is it terain colour, can we have proper clouds and weather blaa blaa blaa... Microsoft have delivered so no one talks about cloud shadows anymore...

If they can include rain, weather and reflective PBR which shows this off and a dynamic ATC which can react accordingly to a dynamic flight experience that will be sweet and a lot more interesting than a sloped runway which after you've done one or two are just meh.

There's nothing "meh" about a contoured runway if you're a bush pilot, or even just a GA pilot flying in areas where non-flat runways are common. I suppose simmers who only fly tubeliners might feel differently, since it's not something they would normally be concerned with. 

It's part of the fun for many of us, though. For example, a bush strip like this one IRL:

 

 

And where you have contoured runways, you can also have "interesting" taxiways to get to the runway, like this one featuring the PC-12. Notice also the silent taxi out of the hangar, which I couldn't figure out at first, until I noticed there was a sloped ramp out of the hangar:

 

 

1 hour ago, domkle said:

Mind to tell us what airport it was ?

KMWK - Mount Airy, NC

2 hours ago, Noooch said:

Thing is, once you have tasted it like in XPlane or even better in real life, it's really hard to go back to flat and cartoonish runways...

Weeeeelll.....I just loaded up the runway in XPlane and it's pretty flat. There is definitely more motion going on than P3D obviously, but still quite a difference from the real thing. Maybe if I had the Ultra HD Mesh.  They person who put the lego bricks together for the airport took some definite creative liberties...There's a big X Plane billboard towering above one the hangars 😂

 

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. That's a logical fallacy and you know it...

If Microsoft fail on this item it will only be good for Long haul Airliners.   That will spell Doom for FS2020 sales.   Just being realistic.  

Edited August 22, 20196 yr by Greazer

31 minutes ago, WestAir said:

The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence. That's a logical fallacy and you know it...

Well I already posted a Youtube video showing that in the real world 25L has a hump. In the FS2020 screenshot 25L does not have the hump. That's evidence that FS2020 does not have sloped runways (for generic airports). Of course, I hope the screenshot is from an early build and that FS2020 now has sloped runways but IMO it's not looking good.

Edited August 22, 20196 yr by MatthewS
Added "for generic airports"

24 minutes ago, Greazer said:

If Microsoft fail on this item it will only be good for Long haul Airliners.   That will spell Doom for FS2020 sales.   Just being realistic.  

Well I mostly fly PMDG and I can tell you if FS2020 doesn't have sloped runways I don't see the point in buying it because I was really looking forward to the variety that sloped runways adds to generic airports.   Of course FS2020 might be good for VFR and bush flying but without sloped runways it really loses a lot of the appeal (especially for bush flying).

Edited August 22, 20196 yr by MatthewS
added "because I was really looking forward to the variety that sloped runways adds to generic airports"

28 minutes ago, Greazer said:

If Microsoft fail on this item it will only be good for Long haul Airliners.   That will spell Doom for FS2020 sales.   Just being realistic.  

This might just be the funniest thing I've read all day.

1 minute ago, HughesMDflyer4 said:

This might just be the funniest thing I've read all day.

Why? You think FS2020 not raising the bar is a laughing matter?

We'll soon see whether MS are actually serious about moving the franchise forward or whether that's just "marketing speak".

I'm not buying FS2020 if they fail to implement sloping runways. XP has had them for donkeys years.

21 minutes ago, MatthewS said:

Why? You think FS2020 not raising the bar is a laughing matter?

We'll soon see whether MS are actually serious about moving the franchise forward or whether that's just "marketing speak".

I'm not buying FS2020 if they fail to implement sloping runways. XP has had them for donkeys years.

I'm pretty sure the majority of people buying MSFS really won't care if the runways are sloped or not. Saying sales are doomed if they aren't is just ridiculous. Many people bought FSX and FSX:SE just to mess around in, and had little aviation knowledge.

Don't get me wrong, I really want sloped runways (and looking at the media released so far it seems there's possibly evidence of at least one) and hope the MSFS team listen to us on this one, but I wouldn't consider it the apocalypse if they aren't there. At this point, I really just want it to run well, look fantastic, and support modding. Expecting too many small details to be just right will only lead to disappointment. Besides, if modding support is there, we'll surely get some properly detailed GA strips from companies like Orbx.

On a side note, based on your other posts, XP11 seems more than sufficient to you. Why not stick with it?

7 minutes ago, HughesMDflyer4 said:

Expecting too many small details to be just right will only lead to disappointment.

To surmise that sloped runways is a "small detail" proves a lack of experience and knowledge of flight (real or sim). I can only suggest it's best you head to the Rookie flight sim forum to learn the basics to start flight lessons.

5 minutes ago, Greazer said:

To surmise that sloped runways is a "small detail" proves a lack of experience and knowledge of flight (real or sim). I can only suggest it's best you head to the Rookie flight sim forum to learn the basics to start flight lessons.

Ad Hominem attacks are a good way to get an interesting thread like this shut down.

It's possible to state one's opinion and observations in opposition to someone else's views, without a personal attack. Attack the argument, not the person.

5 minutes ago, Greazer said:

To surmise that sloped runways is a "small detail" proves a lack of experience and knowledge of flight (real or sim). I can only suggest it's best you head to the Rookie flight sim forum to learn the basics to start flight lessons.

I only learn from the best, a.k.a. Airforceproud95. Gotta buzz the control tower with a hot air balloon every now and then. 🤣