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58 minutes ago, gsand said:

After @simbol uploads his package I have some screenshot and short video uploads as well so look for those in a couple of days.

@gsand

First, the pleasure was mine, I feel very grateful and fortunate that all of you where so kind to accept working with this project. Secondly don't wait.. upload anything you want to share with the community.

We are heading for Cosford tomorrow, so bear with me if am a bit absent during this weekend. However as usual I will keep an eye on AVSIM (my second home!!) and try to help everyone as much as I can with their simulation experience, and of course answering any questions you all might have about AILRP, but there are plenty of members on AVSIM that can answer your questions if I am not around.. just look for the signature of FSReborn Official Beta Tester and ask anything you want, NDAs about AILRP are lifted so they have freedom of speech :rolleyes:.. they are all great guys! and I am sure they will be more than happy to help you.

More over, and more importantly at FSReborn the spirit is to interact with the community and grow with them, we are here for you, we want you to enjoy your simulation experience and we will always be here to help you with anything we can, even if you are not using our products, we will always extend our help since our aim is to make everyone happy and make their simulation experience better.

All the best,

Simbol

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@Simbol :

What about Traffic Global and FSPXAI aircraft ?

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You can add me to the list of honored testers who are extremely grateful to have the opportunity to work with @simbol to create an excellent utility for AI traffic.

I put him through hell! 😀 Yet his support to my feedback was expeditious and friendly. AILRP (like PTA) is one of those add-ons that you don't know that you need it, until you have it. I have always been a fan of JF Traffic AI, but never thought about the aircraft lighting because it was so poorly rendered. I now actually enjoy watching airliners take off and land. This utility help me fix the missing lights in my Traffic360 AI fleet and it works great with freeware AIG models. The aircraft AI light now render beautifully from any distance.

 So thanks again Raul for bringing me on board and for letting me be a part of your journey.

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18 minutes ago, GSalden said:

What about Traffic Global

Hi Gerad,

Yes it works with Traffic Global 360, @DJJose has this package, feel free to ask him anything.

Regarding, FSPXAI aircraft. I can only support AI Models that stick to FSX / P3D SDK guidelines in regards to AI Lightsing. Having said that it is my understanding Missi is updating all his models to follow this. Most likely thanks to the hard work I had with LM to fix lots of bugs with the effect system which are now available with P3D 4.5 HF1 and HF2.

As we speak, I am already updating "certain things" to take advantage of P3D HF2. so the Beta team can start trying these out, as a result landing lights effects will get improved and I will be able to add "other effects (secret project)" in the next couple of months and I promise you guys will see things like never before :wink:.

All these new features will be added for free to our lovely customers of course.

S.

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Just now, simbol said:

Hi Gerad,

Yes it works with Traffic Global 360, @DJJose has this package, feel free to ask him anything.

Regarding, FSPXAI aircraft. I can only support AI Models that stick to FSX / P3D SDK guidelines in regards to AI Lightsing. Having said it is my understanding Missi is updated all his models to follow this. Most likely thanks to the hard work I had with LM to fix lots of bugs with the effect system which are now available with P3D 4.5 HF1 and HF2.

As we speak, I am already updating "certain things" to take advantage of P3D HF2. so the Beta team can start trying these out, as a result landing lights effects will get improved and I will be able to add "other effects (secret project)" in the next couple of months and I promise you guys will see things like never before :wink:.

All these new features will be added for free to our lovely customers of course.

S.

I think he means the latest beta version.

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Just now, DJJose said:

I think he means the latest beta version.

You mean Release Candidate :).. yes maybe that is what he means.. haha

S.

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15 minutes ago, simbol said:

Regarding, FSPXAI aircraft. I can only support AI Models that stick to FSX / P3D SDK guidelines in regards to AI Lightsing. Having said that it is my understanding Missi is updating all his models to follow this. Most likely thanks to the hard work I had with LM to fix lots of bugs with the effect system which are now available with P3D 4.5 HF1 and HF2.

 

Updating or planning to update? 

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10 minutes ago, G-YMML1 said:

Updating or planning to update? 

Following the AIG group forums, I read he did some already. Please contact the developer directly for more information.

As I said if any Model follows P3D SDK guidelines, everything will work. The addon detects which models do and which ones don't. It will then enable the effects per the trailer for anything supported, your AI package will continue to work as usual, and anything using non P3D SDK lighting guidelines will continue to work as they do normally.

Surely you have some FSPAIX models, but it can't be your entire fleet. So you can still take advantage of my effects for everything else.

It is important all addons to follow P3D SDK guidelines as it ensures everything inside the platform can work as designed by Lockheed Martin engineers.

Regards 

Simbol

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Will this work for all the FS9 HTAI models I’ve added and injected with the UTL interface?

All my Cessna 208B’s are dark with no cabin lights/tail lights at night...

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Before I start........this is a message for Ray Proudfoot.......the NDA has been lifted now, so I can tell you that Simbol's real name is Raul Morales :wink:

I met Raul for the first time at Cosford 2018, and I can honestly say that I have never met a nicer guy in my life. He welcomed me like a long lost brother last year, and almost single handedly reignited my enthusiasm for the Cosford Flightsim Show (which had waned somewhat after the 2016 and 2017 shows). Having a focal point to return to (the FS Reborn stand) made a massive difference to my enjoyment of the show. In addition, I was signed up as a beta tester virtually on the spot!!

So, I have been beta testing AI Lights Reborn Professional Edition (AILRP) for the past year, and I have enjoyed the huge difference that it has made to the realism in P3D v4. Watching those realistic strobe lights flashing as planes arrive and depart is always a thrill, and I particularly like the way that the strobes only start to flash when the planes have been given clearance to depart. In the past, it was hard to work out from distance if an AI plane had been cleared for take off, but now it is easy. If you see those strobes start to flash, that plane is GO FOR LAUNCH!

It is also worth noting here that I am only seeing half the product at the moment. I have a very modest PC, and it is not powerful enough to have dynamic lighting enabled. Therefore, I do not see all of those lovely reflections of strobe and beacon lights on the runway/taxiway/apron/aircraft fuselage, and yet I still love the immersion that this software provides! Changing a few light effects may sound simple on paper (and Steve has already indicated that this is far from the case), but it makes a significant difference to the feeling of actually being there. That sense of immersion in a living, breathing world that we all crave in flight simulation :cool:

So, those improved light effects are reason alone to buy this product. However, I also think that Raul has created a very powerful investigative tool for the user's AI database. Any errors that are detected during the initial scan of the AI models and repaints on your PC will result in a list being generated of those models that are affected. Moving your mouse pointer over any plane in that list will give you an indication of the source of the problem. As an example of just how useful this is, it was only after scanning my own AI database with AILRP that I realised that almost half of my TFS Boeing 777 AI fleet were not being displayed at all! The problem turned out to be an incorrect "model=" statement in my 777 aircraft.cfg files. A very simple fix, but I would never have known without using AILRP.

In addition, the amazing Live Preview Module (that Skywolf has already praised in this thread's opening post) gives the user yet another powerful tool to test for problems. When this is first loaded (a simple case of selecting "Preview Settings" from the AI Lights settings page), a random selection of AI plane models from your own database will be displayed (at Eglin AFB) against a dark sky background. You will notice all of the light effects on (static) AI planes on the taxiway and runway, and also in the air. This gives you an appreciation of how the AI planes will look at various distances, and also which lights are active at certain times. However, you can also select a single AI plane type to load in the Live Preview Module. This provides you with a superb visual tool that instantly reveals any problems that you may have with a particular AI model (or repaint).

I have thoroughly enjoyed working with Raul and the rest of the team over the past year, and I am honoured to be part of his exhibitor team at Cosford 2019. I look forward to meeting and chatting with many of you over the course of the weekend......and a few UK2000 customers at the same time :cool:

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Checks carried out to ensure reliable operation of the AI is only a tiny part of a very wide gamut of operations and procedures this kind of software must be aware of behind the scenes. Shows it's a well planned and thought through product.

With an addiction to AI traffic in the scenario, it's looking like a must have add-on for sure, night and day.

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1 hour ago, Kilo60 said:

Will this work for all the FS9 HTAI models I’ve added and injected with the UTL interface?

All my Cessna 208B’s are dark with no cabin lights/tail lights at night...

AI Lights Reborn Professional does replace effect based lights that are responsible for navigation lights, beacons, strobes, and landing lights. Cabin lights and tail lights are part of each repaint and do need to be painted by the author of any repaint.

But navigation lights, beacons, strobes, and landing lights of the HTAI models will be replaced by the new AILRP lights.

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On a side note......are those FS9 HTAI models being displayed properly? My experience has been that AI aircraft models need to be updated to at least FSX status in order to be rendered correctly in P3D v4.

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Anybody know what the price will be?

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4 minutes ago, pgde said:

Anybody know what the price will be?

€24.99 Euros + TAX (which varies per country), pre-orders at Cosford will have a 25% discount so £20GPB including UK VAT.

S.

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12 minutes ago, simbol said:

€24.99 Euros + TAX (which varies per country), pre-orders at Cosford will have a 25% discount so £20GPB including UK VAT.

S.

I admit I'm biased (well maybe...just a bit 😉) but this is a bargain folks. It will transform your sim AND fix or help you fix numerous problems with your AI.

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17 minutes ago, simbol said:

€24.99 Euros + TAX (which varies per country), pre-orders at Cosford will have a 25% discount so £20GPB including UK VAT.

S.

Does the pre-order discount only apply to those attending Cosford? 

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3 minutes ago, TalonMX said:

Does the pre-order discount only apply to those attending Cosford? 

Yes.

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One more beta tester chiming in here. Simbol allowed me to join his team of testers earlier this year and I am still very thankful for this experience. The other members of the team have already told you a lot about Simbol, and he probably blushed after reading all the compliments. However, it is true; working with Simbol was highly enjoyable. There are not many developers who have such knowledge about the SDK and how an add-on should be incorporated into the sim environment. What I appreciated most was his engagement with the AI community during development. What you will get is an extension for AI that will please beginners and enthusiasts likewise.

So what do I like most?
For me, landing lights were always too big and aircraft on their final approach were one giant light bulb. AILRP allowed me to fix this issue and gave me the flexibility to assign various looks depending on the type (e.g., LED landing lights for newer types, warmer lights for older types).

Is it easy to use?
As easy as you want it to be. You can change you lights with just some mouse-clicks or you can customize dozens of settings depending on model and personal preferences.

You fly online and do not care about AI?
Model matching for Vatsim (e.g., FLAi) and other networks do also use the AI models of Alpha India Group, FSX AI Bureau, HTAI, MAIW, OSP, PSAI, Raven AI, The Fruit Stand, United Traffic Team, etc. Hence, using AILRP will also improve the experience of online flying.

Some of you asked about FSPXAI and if their lights are changed by AILRP?
Trust me, I was a pain in the back for Simbol in the past months and asked him frequently for compatibility. The issue with the FSPXAI models is their non-compliance with the SDK. The author of FSPXAI used a hack to overcome a bug of the way how P3D handled the effect rendering in the distance. This bug was identified during our beta test and reported to LM, who meanwhile fixed it (I think with version 4.5?). However, FSPXAI was very reluctant to change to the proper design technique until this summer. Only the latest PRB updates introduced SDK-conform light effects for the FSPXAI models. The B777, A340, A350, A380, MD-11 still use the old hack, while the A220, A330, and B787 were updated to proper effect lights by FSPXAI. During the development of AILRP, it was necessary to draw the line at some point and finalize the build for release. Just at this point in development, FSPXAI began to implement its updates. So we all agreed that support for FSPXAI should be looked at again when there is a stable model base to build on (meaning, FSPXAI has implemented proper effect lights for most of the models and sticks to that way).

FSPXAI in a nutshell?
A post-release item that will be investigated and that depends on proper FSPXAI SDK-compliance.
 

I think anybody of us here is more than happy to help you and to answer your questions. So keep them coming.

Best,
Christoph

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41 minutes ago, simbol said:

€24.99 Euros + TAX (which varies per country), pre-orders at Cosford will have a 25% discount so £20GPB including UK VAT.

Raul, I'm going to be blunt.
I'm very disappointed at the idea of having to pay €29.99 (incl. tax) for what is effectively getting AI lights to flash appropriately (and that is how a lot of simmers are going to see your product).

I've been following this project on your forum, so I am aware it's not been the easiest process to get AILRP ready for market.

However, given that there is now rather vocal resistance to buying new products for existing sims, I can't help but think that this pricing is wrong.
I would love to support all of your efforts and buy this, but I cannot justify the price.

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Just back from doctor will pass on Cosford but will still buy worth it to have the sim the way the users want`s instead of being stuck with what you have.

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I use FLAI for Vatsim online traffic. Does it work with that package?

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8 minutes ago, B777ER said:

I use FLAI for Vatsim online traffic. Does it work with that package?

Yes

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Can hardly wait for this add-on. I think that more than a years work  and learning the in's and out's of LM SDk plus working with LM and others warrants the price asked. I will start saving for it.

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4 minutes ago, jimcarrel said:

Can hardly wait for this add-on. I think that more than a years work  and learning the in's and out's of LM SDk plus working with LM and others warrants the price asked. I will start saving for it.

That's correct. Simbol does a lot of work in the background on improving P3D for all of us and keeps the LM team keen.

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