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I'm on W7 now.  Answers greatly appreciated.  I'm planning on staying with P3DV4 for a long while.

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Non-supported doesn't mean non-functional.  I probably wouldn't continue to use it for online banking or anything else that might be a security risk.

I still have a 2006-vintage Conroe machine with Windows XP on it that I use on occasion for some older orphaned hardware and software.  Still works just fine, but I don't go web surfing with it.

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At some point in the future, you may have to move to Windows 10.  Just as I have seen with Windows XP, third party flight sim developers will support Windows 7 for several years, but somewhere down the line, they will drop Windows 7 from their installation software or they will use features available only in Windows 10 and that will prevent an add-on from working in older versions of Windows.

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1 hour ago, stans said:

At some point in the future, you may have to move to Windows 10.  Just as I have seen with Windows XP, third party flight sim developers will support Windows 7 for several years, but somewhere down the line, they will drop Windows 7 from their installation software or they will use features available only in Windows 10 and that will prevent an add-on from working in older versions of Windows.

I agree.  Which programs are affected will be determinative of the move.

 

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Move on, Windows 10 is so much better. You will be surprised in a positive way

 

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2 hours ago, nas123 said:

Move on, Windows 10 is so much better. You will be surprised in a positive way

You'll be surprised, all right.  Like the first time an update resets all the power management settings on your USB ports, causing your flight controls to drop offline in the middle of a long flight, ruining the flight.  Or when it auto-installs a poorly-tested update that breaks programs you need, and they first claim there's no issue, then after 10,000 complaints announce that they'll fix it...in the next monthly update.  Or when the network shares you set up for your multi-PC sim stop working because the last update reset a bunch of the security settings that you had configured.  That's all been part of my not-wonderful-at-all Win 10 experience.

Move on when they pull the hammer back on a gun held to you your head!  Seriously, I would not leave Win 7 unless you have to, like with a hardware upgrade to a mobo with a chipset not supported in Win 7, for example.

Regards

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Bob Scott offers good advise as usual. In real life, choosing the version of operating system is like buying a snowmobile or outboard motor for your boat. No matter how much you shop and compare, all three are going to screw you and leave you stranded sooner or later. It is just part of the "fun"

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1 hour ago, w6kd said:

then after 10,000 complaints

I feel for those who have had issues with Windows 10 (although I have yet to have a single problem with it). However, a conservative estimate of Windows 10 usage worldwide puts it at 400,000,000 installations so that 10,000 represents only 0.0025% - worth fixing but statistically almost insignificant (unless you're one of them, of course). The chances of most of the problems affecting the average user are almost nil. I had far more problems with Win 7 updates than I've ever had with Win 10. It's only the fact that Windows 7 isn't still getting regular updates that's stopped the complaints about them.

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1 minute ago, vortex681 said:

I feel for those who have had issues with Windows 10 (although I have yet to have a single problem with it). However, a conservative estimate of Windows 10 usage worldwide puts it at 400,000,000 installations so that 10,000 represents only 0.0025% - probably worth fixing but statistically almost insignificant (unless you're one of them, of course). The chances of most of the problems affecting the average user are almost nil. I had far more problems with Win 7 updates than I've ever had with Win 10. It's only the fact that Windows 7 isn't still getting regular updates that's stopped the complaints about them.

Win 7 didn't force installation of updates without giving the user having the ability to turn them off...Win 10 does.  Therein lies the rub. 

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43 minutes ago, w6kd said:

Win 7 didn't force installation of updates without giving the user having the ability to turn them off...Win 10 does.  Therein lies the rub. 

I'll grant you that. However, as I said earlier, I've yet to have a problem with a Win 10 update. I do have automatic driver updates (within the Windows updates) turned off so maybe that's partly responsible for my success. I also never manually check for updates - I wait for them to be offered. MS has previously said that Windows carries out a basic check for compatibility before offering an update which is, apparently, overridden if you check manually.

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Also, if you ever want Microsoft's new Flight Simulator, to be released sometime next year, you will need Windows 10.

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I'll keep running win7 on my sim box with an image backup and on a dedicated network. My other win7 computers are being replaced with Apple products.

MSFS runs on DirectX 11. That's all I needed to know. I have a can do attitude. :laugh:

Ted

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I will be upgrading my PC soon, but I will be keeping my existing hard disks and Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit. I really do not like the sound of "forced updates", particularly with respect to graphics drivers. The only person who decides when stuff is updated on my own PC is me.

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1 hour ago, Christopher Low said:

I will be upgrading my PC soon, but I will be keeping my existing hard disks and Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit. I really do not like the sound of "forced updates", particularly with respect to graphics drivers. The only person who decides when stuff is updated on my own PC is me.

You can easily set Windows 10 so that it doesn't update any drivers on your PC. In between major version releases, my W10 system only accepts bugfixes and security updates (no drivers) - who wouldn't want these if you go online?

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I guess the next question is......can I still update to Windows 10 for free? Oh, and can I set the desktop so that it looks and works like a PC desktop, rather than a tablet or mobile phone?

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11 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

I guess the next question is......can I still update to Windows 10 for free? Oh, and can I set the desktop so that it looks and works like a PC desktop, rather than a tablet or mobile phone?

I think you can...?

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I'm not a huge fan of upgrading older versions of Windows to Windows 10.  I think the upgrade route ends up leaving legacy stuff that eventually causes issues with Windows 10 running smoothly.

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41 minutes ago, stans said:

I'm not a huge fan of upgrading older versions of Windows to Windows 10.  I think the upgrade route ends up leaving legacy stuff that eventually causes issues with Windows 10 running smoothly.

I completely agree. I'm convinced that upgrading (rather than clean-installing) is what causes many of the issues we see with Windows 10. I always view a new build as the perfect opportunity to start with a fresh OS install and just add the software I need (or actually use) rather than dragging all the old stuff across. I started my current system with a clean install and, to date, have had no issues with Windows 10 and the OS has all of the available updates installed (minus optional drivers).

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13 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

I will be upgrading my PC soon, but I will be keeping my existing hard disks and Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit. I really do not like the sound of "forced updates", particularly with respect to graphics drivers. The only person who decides when stuff is updated on my own PC is me.

Just be careful if you are doing a clean install from scratch. I made some (final) hardware changes to my old Win 7 machine earlier this year and decided the changes I had made were too significant to merely stick with the existing OS installation (over the years I had already made a fair few changes to it).

So I decided to re-install everything from scratch using my store-bought retail version of Windows 7 (which I may have installed perhaps 3 times over the last decade). I was very surprised, however, to find that it refused to activate this time around.

None of the usual re-activation methods worked and I ended up having to ring Microsoft who then gave me a "lecture" (politely) about this being the last activation I would get and that I would have to buy Windows 10 next time and that Windows 7 wouldn't be supported from January.

Of course I knew all about the situation with Windows 7 long before the phone call but I was surprised it would not activate since I have been pretty sparing with re-activations over the years. I thus reckon it was more to do with Microsoft wanting to manually intervene and make sure users knew their OS would not be activated any further times in the future.

This may just be unique to me but I thought I would mention it since I am sure there are plenty of people around who might want to build a last Windows 7 machine even as of today.

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Go Windows 10, but if you do, get 10 Pro.  Check e-bay for good deals on licenses.  PRO allows you to postpone the big updates for up to a year...security updates for up to 90 days.

i do a fresh install after every major update...no issues yet and i have a multi PC 737 full cockpit simulator.

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Windows X Pro is the way to go.  I have Windows X Pro 64-bit on my office laptop and it has been a solid performer.  It costs more than Windows 10 Home, but it is worth the extra expense.

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On 10/12/2019 at 2:09 PM, Christopher Low said:

Oh, and can I set the desktop so that it looks and works like a PC desktop, rather than a tablet or Imobile phone?

I recently made the move (clean install).

Take a look at O&O ShutUp10 to setup more easily all the parameters of W10 (no tweak - only a clear and clever display of all the official parameters)

I use also  Open-Shell to get back a Start Menu I understand 😊

Gérard.

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23 hours ago, stans said:

Windows X Pro is the way to go.  I have Windows X Pro 64-bit on my office laptop and it has been a solid performer.  It costs more than Windows 10 Home, but it is worth the extra expense.

Sorry, What is Windows X Pro? You must have left out the 'P' !!

I'm confused as to why anyone would still want to use an obsolete operating system, especially with newer software that will not be optimized with an old operating system. A couple of years ago, I updated from Windows 7, then, on another PC, from Windows 8.1, both to Windows 10. I just had to update graphic drivers on one of the laptops and all was fine.

My 2 year old laptop obviously has Windows 10, & is updated on a regular basis. I most certainly do not want to have any older updates, nor obsolete operating systems on my machines. I have Windows 10 Home, with never any issues at all. Also, as I prefer newer software, I'm using Edge Chromium Canary, that gets updated on a daily basis. So far, that's my daily browser. I do have Firefox & Chrome as backup browsers, should they be needed. So far, not.  

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On 10/11/2019 at 9:17 AM, rjfry said:

LM not in it for the money Microsoft ?

Silly!

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