October 3, 20196 yr I'm on W7 now. Answers greatly appreciated. I'm planning on staying with P3DV4 for a long while. Forever indebted to the late Michael Greenblatt of FSGS.
October 3, 20196 yr Non-supported doesn't mean non-functional. I probably wouldn't continue to use it for online banking or anything else that might be a security risk. I still have a 2006-vintage Conroe machine with Windows XP on it that I use on occasion for some older orphaned hardware and software. Still works just fine, but I don't go web surfing with it. Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
October 4, 20196 yr At some point in the future, you may have to move to Windows 10. Just as I have seen with Windows XP, third party flight sim developers will support Windows 7 for several years, but somewhere down the line, they will drop Windows 7 from their installation software or they will use features available only in Windows 10 and that will prevent an add-on from working in older versions of Windows. My computer: ABS Gladiator Gaming PC featuring an Intel 10700F CPU, EVGA CLC-240 AIO cooler (dead fans replaced with Noctua fans), Asus Tuf Gaming B460M Plus motherboard, 16GB DDR4-3000 RAM, 1 TB NVMe SSD, EVGA RTX3070 FTW3 video card, dead EVGA 750 watt power supply replaced with Antec 900 watt PSU.
October 4, 20196 yr Author 1 hour ago, stans said: At some point in the future, you may have to move to Windows 10. Just as I have seen with Windows XP, third party flight sim developers will support Windows 7 for several years, but somewhere down the line, they will drop Windows 7 from their installation software or they will use features available only in Windows 10 and that will prevent an add-on from working in older versions of Windows. I agree. Which programs are affected will be determinative of the move. Forever indebted to the late Michael Greenblatt of FSGS.
October 4, 20196 yr Install Windows 10. I honestly don't see the big deal. Best regards,--Anders Bermann-- ____________________Scandinavian VAPilot-ID: SAS2471
October 4, 20196 yr 2 hours ago, nas123 said: Move on, Windows 10 is so much better. You will be surprised in a positive way You'll be surprised, all right. Like the first time an update resets all the power management settings on your USB ports, causing your flight controls to drop offline in the middle of a long flight, ruining the flight. Or when it auto-installs a poorly-tested update that breaks programs you need, and they first claim there's no issue, then after 10,000 complaints announce that they'll fix it...in the next monthly update. Or when the network shares you set up for your multi-PC sim stop working because the last update reset a bunch of the security settings that you had configured. That's all been part of my not-wonderful-at-all Win 10 experience. Move on when they pull the hammer back on a gun held to you your head! Seriously, I would not leave Win 7 unless you have to, like with a hardware upgrade to a mobo with a chipset not supported in Win 7, for example. Regards Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
October 4, 20196 yr Bob Scott offers good advise as usual. In real life, choosing the version of operating system is like buying a snowmobile or outboard motor for your boat. No matter how much you shop and compare, all three are going to screw you and leave you stranded sooner or later. It is just part of the "fun" Sam Prepar3D V5.3/[email protected]/EVGA 3080 TI/1000W PSU/Windows 10/40" 4K Samsung@3840x2160/ASP3D/ASCA/ORBX/ ChasePlane/General Aviation/Honeycomb Alpha+Bravo/MFG Rudder Pedals/
October 4, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, w6kd said: then after 10,000 complaints I feel for those who have had issues with Windows 10 (although I have yet to have a single problem with it). However, a conservative estimate of Windows 10 usage worldwide puts it at 400,000,000 installations so that 10,000 represents only 0.0025% - worth fixing but statistically almost insignificant (unless you're one of them, of course). The chances of most of the problems affecting the average user are almost nil. I had far more problems with Win 7 updates than I've ever had with Win 10. It's only the fact that Windows 7 isn't still getting regular updates that's stopped the complaints about them. Edited October 4, 20196 yr by vortex681 i7-14700k | Asus ROG STRIX Z790-F Gaming WIFI | 32GB DDR5 RAM | MSI RTX 4080 Super | WD Black SN850X 1TB & 2TB | Corsair HX1000i ATX3.0 | MSI MAG401QR 40" monitor | Win 11 Pro 64-bit | Meta Quest 3
October 4, 20196 yr 1 minute ago, vortex681 said: I feel for those who have had issues with Windows 10 (although I have yet to have a single problem with it). However, a conservative estimate of Windows 10 usage worldwide puts it at 400,000,000 installations so that 10,000 represents only 0.0025% - probably worth fixing but statistically almost insignificant (unless you're one of them, of course). The chances of most of the problems affecting the average user are almost nil. I had far more problems with Win 7 updates than I've ever had with Win 10. It's only the fact that Windows 7 isn't still getting regular updates that's stopped the complaints about them. Win 7 didn't force installation of updates without giving the user having the ability to turn them off...Win 10 does. Therein lies the rub. Bob Scott | President and CEO, AVSIM Inc ATP Gulfstream II-III-IV-V Sys1 (MSFS20+24/XPlane12+11): AMD 9800X3D, water 2x240mm, MSI MPG X670E Carbon, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, nVidia RTX4090FE Alienware AW3821DW 38" 21:9 GSync, 2x4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2x2TB Samsung 990 SSD, EVGA 1000P2 PSU, 12.9" iPad Pro Thrustmaster TCA Boeing Yoke, TCA Airbus Sidestick, Twin TCA Airbus Throttle quads, PFC Cirrus Pedals, Coolermaster HAF932 case Sys2 (P3Dv5/v4): i9-13900KS, water 2x360mm, ASUS Z790 Hero, 32GB GSkill 7800MHz CAS36, ASUS RTX4090 Samsung 55" JS8500 4K TV@60Hz, 3x 2TB WD SN850X 1x 4TB Crucial P3 M.2 NVME SSD, EVGA 1600T2 PSU Fiber link to Yamaha RX-V467 Home Theater Receiver, Polk/Klipsch 6" bookshelf speakers, Polk 12" subwoofer, 12.9" iPad Pro PFC yoke/throttle quad/pedals with custom Hall sensor retrofit, Thermaltake View 71 case, Stream Deck XL button box Sys3 (DCS/P3Dv4/ATS/ETS): AMD 7800X3D, MSI MPG X870E Carbon, Noctua NH-D15S, 64GB GSkill 6000/30, EVGA RTX3090 Alienware AW3420DW 34" 21:9 GSync, Corsair HX1000i PSU, 4TB Crucial T705 PCIe5 + 2TB Samsung 970Evo Plus, TM TCA Officer Pack, Saitek combat pedals, TM Warthog, TM RS300 FF wheel/pedals, Coolermaster HAF XB case
October 4, 20196 yr 43 minutes ago, w6kd said: Win 7 didn't force installation of updates without giving the user having the ability to turn them off...Win 10 does. Therein lies the rub. I'll grant you that. However, as I said earlier, I've yet to have a problem with a Win 10 update. I do have automatic driver updates (within the Windows updates) turned off so maybe that's partly responsible for my success. I also never manually check for updates - I wait for them to be offered. MS has previously said that Windows carries out a basic check for compatibility before offering an update which is, apparently, overridden if you check manually. Edited October 4, 20196 yr by vortex681 i7-14700k | Asus ROG STRIX Z790-F Gaming WIFI | 32GB DDR5 RAM | MSI RTX 4080 Super | WD Black SN850X 1TB & 2TB | Corsair HX1000i ATX3.0 | MSI MAG401QR 40" monitor | Win 11 Pro 64-bit | Meta Quest 3
October 4, 20196 yr Also, if you ever want Microsoft's new Flight Simulator, to be released sometime next year, you will need Windows 10. Robin "Onward & Upward" ... To the Stars, & Beyond...
October 4, 20196 yr I'll keep running win7 on my sim box with an image backup and on a dedicated network. My other win7 computers are being replaced with Apple products. MSFS runs on DirectX 11. That's all I needed to know. I have a can do attitude. Ted [email protected] ghz, Noctua C12P CPU air cooler, Asus Z77, 2 x 4gb DDR3 Corsair 2200 mhz cl 9, EVGA 1080ti, Sony 55" 900E TV 3840 x 2160, Windows 7-64, FSX, P3dv3, P3dv4
October 12, 20196 yr I will be upgrading my PC soon, but I will be keeping my existing hard disks and Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit. I really do not like the sound of "forced updates", particularly with respect to graphics drivers. The only person who decides when stuff is updated on my own PC is me. Christopher Low AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU / 64GB DDR5-6000 RAM / 12GB Nvidia RTX 4070 Super GPU / Gigabyte X870E Aorus Elite Wifi 7 / 1+2TB Samsung Evo Plus M2 Nvme UK2000 Beta Tester
October 12, 20196 yr 1 hour ago, Christopher Low said: I will be upgrading my PC soon, but I will be keeping my existing hard disks and Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit. I really do not like the sound of "forced updates", particularly with respect to graphics drivers. The only person who decides when stuff is updated on my own PC is me. You can easily set Windows 10 so that it doesn't update any drivers on your PC. In between major version releases, my W10 system only accepts bugfixes and security updates (no drivers) - who wouldn't want these if you go online? i7-14700k | Asus ROG STRIX Z790-F Gaming WIFI | 32GB DDR5 RAM | MSI RTX 4080 Super | WD Black SN850X 1TB & 2TB | Corsair HX1000i ATX3.0 | MSI MAG401QR 40" monitor | Win 11 Pro 64-bit | Meta Quest 3
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