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Hi folks, 

So I've compiled a list of many of the locations we've seen (though they are not all included yet) grouped by general area and by whether they are created using photogrammetry or not. I hope that this gives a little bit more insight on what we can expect of the global default scenery. I personally think it is good to see that they have shown us a good mix between photogrammetry scenery and AI generated scenery up till now. Please tell me if you think I made a mistake somewhere. 

USA - Photogrammetry

Chicago, USA
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2019/35/4/1567068729-ch.jpg

Houston, USA
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2019/35/4/1567068858-ho.jpg

Meteor Crater, USA
https://www.avsim.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2019/35/4/1567068894-me.jpg&key=3751d49d6d619ae1cb327282e6cbf41f877f76fc791f01965c97e41a26d83d11

Seattle, USA
https://www.avsim.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2019/35/4/1567068918-se.jpg&key=8a6d87e8f8dba0c8956f4bfaa41b8caf7fe0abab03aa7ae58d6ba52778b21bba
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San Franciso, USA
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Indianapolis, USA
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New Amsterdam, the Netherlands
https://www.avsim.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2019/39/7/1569745706-ny.jpg&key=59bb026f363272b0089460c810b9ae002a83ba71961e321c2d2e9d73446d2a00

Disney World, USA
https://www.avsim.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://i.ibb.co/VQZbrVx/epcot-fs.jpg&key=13f48d96903dbb94b71210326002e265da5044ebf2ce5ec42057e99708fcba0a

Discovery Bay, USA
https://www.avsim.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2019/40/6/1570260127-db.jpg&key=3cc44ed90e16320651e65b58a5df73bb592b8763bb2f45f364ae871e73a4db3d

 

USA - Non photogrammetry

Nassau, Bahamas
https://www.avsim.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2019/35/4/1567068676-ba.jpg&key=21be6527771538341461fd6f3620fc4a4ac44e5469c93ced6c7ff7acfaacba67

Page, USA
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2019/35/4/1567068730-canyon.jpg

Grand Canyon, USA
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Aspen, USA
https://www.avsim.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2019/35/5/1567148733-as.jpg&key=0bbd3528d89bbd6431435b6a7863e83573db6ef367de3bd4b64fe2aceaea6eda

 

Europe - Photogrammetry

Chateau d'If, France
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Marseille, France
https://www.avsim.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2019/35/4/1567068887-ma.jpg&key=38ef9b41ae237a931c8531f91a6cbed45ea5e7f3da82a331a9f72c1d857bb22b

Strasbourg, France
https://www.avsim.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2019/35/4/1567068968-st.jpg&key=81668e2c479db2d5e8ba6b379f9d2e94ae82e12e53101a3c9b277387b8743afa

Barcelona, Spain
https://www.avsim.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2019/37/7/1568549912-barc.jpg&key=77a050bd9b3dfb99e31982002d4ebdfa64e7a5d528d19395e3c7007145be5fc1

Madrid, Spain
https://www.avsim.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://i.imgur.com/Gnsc0Kv.jpg&key=6ef9106b8c868d9aac79c2208949ea3c5671a92fe5bd645b66a7da0b52586a52

 

Europe - None photogrammetry

Courchevel, France
https://www.avsim.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2019/35/4/1567068729-co.jpg&key=e6153937ab9e054627891959515a696308aadbbb06f55c1baf9a8fcc23ff0fdd

Bassin d'Arcachon, France
https://www.avsim.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2019/35/4/1567068676-ar.jpg&key=953b1fc4060620c5a6223d3b88d19ac9f4a674f20dbb394ff3bcda0a0cb13881

Lac de Gaube, France
https://www.avsim.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2019/35/4/1567068907-py.png&key=8bf870349dcefb9f9d4398ef81b93cf68cb3294e1e60520aa28eb01ce8aec165

Figari, Corsica, France
https://www.avsim.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://i.imgur.com/zcsV4K7.jpg&key=4bf508e7ac6d155017063aeadc309746ce8947299c090812fbd9b96fec823f00

Normandie, France
https://www.avsim.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2019/38/4/1568922119-mt2.jpeg&key=89ca705c0e22520feffd7e2dd867daf707de9915e2163afc083862ba6101ac82

Newcastle, UK
https://www.avsim.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://i.imgur.com/jbJVVcw.jpg&key=e9ac9ff33e5ca625cfcd050ed465e947dd44ec0027de4b274e8fe87ef88b5d53
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London, UK
https://www.avsim.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://i.imgur.com/MeNHPg1.jpg&key=89a23a19bc5a681edbf8f51f85985bb3b222b276c16e6edce1cd096b5ec2d0bd
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Lisbon, Portugal
https://www.avsim.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://i.imgur.com/TiJq6YJ.jpg&key=eaaa3881f1dbbddde37d268080d506b0e082f9c5596c372438ae80473a56b84e

Porto, Portugal
https://www.avsim.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://i.imgur.com/ikh08jE.jpg&key=39b2bfe584a35764690b0ea11961fbc3254bb50a7b81d748d04f3aee9ef20fed

South of Bordeaux, France
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Millau, France
https://www.avsim.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://i.imgur.com/wkopfCu.jpg&key=1fd6e0fc2190974c5b992729a414138d1d9304230f402acbda508562219ca3bc

Vigo, Spain
https://www.avsim.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://i.imgur.com/9styMXZ.jpg&key=bbf75558a68c51647ccceeff868f06bef854f6e87412d77eb84e3c66acc4bc5b

Cantabria, Spain
https://www.avsim.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://i.imgur.com/vxca4yE.jpg&key=2eb5d75f24461a772e21a21505805f7d85d8d53da5a3f74b51e2c6b0a8d0d084


Other - Photogrammetry

Cairo, Egypt
https://www.avsim.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2019/35/4/1567068848-eg.jpg&key=0e8e44c9096affeb67af6fb163bc5756712c927a75ea6eb74a6b5684141b592b


Other - Non photogrammetry

Mundaring Weir, Australia
https://www.avsim.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2019/35/4/1567068676-australia.jpg&key=c5f5f7a4196a0728ec22adf16b4dff19ebffba2f52916fca9acdfb1c55a52c33

South of Kilimanjaro, Tanzania
https://www.avsim.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2019/35/4/1567068871-ki.jpg&key=c66b225c01f7b19691dcabb3a70d9eb358637aba14395ed20d9834f87501c811

Dubai
https://www.avsim.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2019/37/7/1568533901-dub.jpg&key=ba73f9c9886029077ce029d7003576dac069769a675a04f436b14aa2ff773e57

Tekapo Lake, New Zealand
https://www.avsim.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2019/37/5/1568356839-tl.jpg&key=768d911a1dea8c15db27c8b8b20a1776b16c7758cb604552f63a050c466d2bd0

Seoul, South Korea
https://www.avsim.com/applications/core/interface/imageproxy/imageproxy.php?img=https://i.ibb.co/GxVJZHX/gimpo-ms.jpg&key=e59e5b8b7aee365079ae89f3fb8d8669fa5189f9694238d3ac18dc980a2eb868

São Paulo, Brazil
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Great job!

I'm very happy with the non-photogrammetry scenery... Looks 100x better than "land-class" seen in P3D.

Seems like in FS2020 there will always be something new and interesting to look at out the window, unlike the repetitive (Orbx or default) land-class in P3D.

Just incredible.

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We might like to add UIuru Australia (Formerly Ayer's Rock) to the list, as teased in the latest promo video.

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9 minutes ago, Superdelphinus said:

Southampton in the UK was also on the trailer yesterday. No idea if it was photogrammetry or not though. 

It definitely was. 
https://i.imgur.com/wjXcEXr.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/AshivLn.jpg

Slight lack on clarity of textures and lots of variation to the houses.
Compare the first linked image against Google Maps satellite view - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@50.9308246,-1.3680567,215a,35y,39.42t/data=!3m1!1e3

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That's quite a job you've done there, Raymond.  You put a lot of effort into it and it shows.  Really appreciate having all this in one place.

If I'm not mistaken, we saw a nice rendition of Stone Mountain just east of Atlanta in the new trailer released at XO19 this week.  It is at 1:09 into the video.  If it applies, you might add it to your index.  Thanks!

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I wonder if with FS2020, we'll something like a revival of the old, traditional hand-placed objects addon scenery development again.

I think it's pretty safe to say that the sim will have the whole "landscape" aspect covered, and there won't be much of a need for external developers to work on that.

Large cityscape projects might also be a thing of the past, because photogrammetry as well as the procedural AI generation of scenery will probably be vastly more efficient in filling in any post-launch gaps than anything a small team of developers can do by hand.

What seems to be missing though, at least as far as we have seen so far, is the small detailed objects, at least outside of any airports. Things that made bush flying so much fun in the older OrbX sceneries or related projects like Tongass Fjords. This might be a new market for dedicated developers, hand crafting detailed buildings, bridges, vehicles or other objects that can only be placed by hand.

 

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9 hours ago, dmiannay said:

That's quite a job you've done there, Raymond.  You put a lot of effort into it and it shows.  Really appreciate having all this in one place.

If I'm not mistaken, we saw a nice rendition of Stone Mountain just east of Atlanta in the new trailer released at XO19 this week.  It is at 1:09 into the video.  If it applies, you might add it to your index.  Thanks!

I'll try to keep the list updated somehow, too bad we can't edit topics like these to keep them up-to-date. Maybe I'll upload it to Google Drive and share the link here and post about it when it got an update.

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1 hour ago, Raymond.Groenendijk said:

I'll try to keep the list updated somehow, too bad we can't edit topics like these to keep them up-to-date. Maybe I'll upload it to Google Drive and share the link here and post about it when it got an update.

You might also PM one of the mods here and ask if they can open your post back up so you can edit it.  I really don't know if they would, but it is certainly worth a try.  Again, good job, my friend!

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If MS doesn't give Raymond a shout-out in the next update, we riot. Great job dude!

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2 hours ago, Baber20 said:

Not all heroes wear capes. 

Capes don't mix well with jet engines.

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Great work! Here are some more. Maybe you could include them in your list somehow.

USA - Photogrammetry

Miami, USA

https://imgur.com/87hgGI7

Fort Myers, USA

https://imgur.com/ymLzfbP

Europe - Photogrammetry

Brussels, Belgium

https://imgur.com/CDwhN7m

Copenhagen, Denmark

https://imgur.com/GwddgCX

Florence, Italy

https://imgur.com/eRoW7uh

Naples, Italy

https://imgur.com/N5QRt6M

Venice, Italy

https://imgur.com/NHeeiVX

Rouen, France

https://imgur.com/Y11Glbt

Southampton, UK

https://imgur.com/AyaQ1PD

Alicante, Spain

https://imgur.com/Yfu9rTQ

Zürich, Switzerland

https://imgur.com/DEC2Ul2

Other - Photogrammetry

Newcastle, Australia

https://imgur.com/Si11FQ3

Other - Non photogrammetry

Brisbane, Australia

https://imgur.com/LcTKfaf

Sydney, Australia

https://imgur.com/upieNLO

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