1 minute ago, B777ER said:

You are classic example of one of the person's seeing the visuals of MS2020 and forgetting everything else like I mentioned in my original post. Sad.  The numerous "smallest details" added up all together is what makes a great sim. If you can't see that, frankly I don't care.

 

Your posts are totally worthy of discussion.

If people had to purchase new hardware, new software, new controllers and other items every time a new game version was released...

Are people really struggling to understand your opening post? OMG!

I feel sad for the people finding perceived (but not confirmed) faults of a new sim that will deliver:

• A totally new, live weather environment that is based on continent-wide info, rather than a single airport's METAR data.
  Additionally, airflow that natively responds to and is manipulated by terrain, buildings and vegetation.
   
• A completely re-worked aerodynamics engine with 1000 reference data points as opposed to FSX's and P3D's one.
   
• Re-worked ground friction (incorporating runway condition data).
   
• New aircraft engine modelling.
   
• A 66% increase in the number of airfields to ~40000.
   
• Live data feed for real-world aircraft and shipping movements.

Also:
- No requirement for us to update to new gen, ray-tracing GPUs.
- Confirmed support for at least some current peripherals (as evidenced by Honeycomb yokes and throttles in use at the playable demo at the XO19 show).
- Partial backwards compatibility.

But OK, apparently these huge details (i.e. long-standing requests from simmers of all civil flight sims) affecting how we fly, are not small enough to make a simulator great. They are apparently only visual aspects, are forcing us into ditching our current sims and compelling us to go on a wild upgrade spree.

Tons more detail, as yet not revealed, still to come.

But why bother? Who needs so-called evidence? Easier to sit back and bash because it isn't more of the same.
Shame on us for getting excited about a transformative flight sim experience that is not only in the works, but is actively seeking our input on how to make it into what we want.

 

3 hours ago, F737NG said:

I feel sad for the people finding perceived (but not confirmed) faults of a new sim that will deliver:

• A totally new, live weather environment that is based on continent-wide info, rather than a single airport's METAR data.
  Additionally, airflow that natively responds to and is manipulated by terrain, buildings and vegetation

You do understand that if you are not flying real time, you may be flying at 2pm in the afternoon somewhere but because there is no historic weather to match flight time, you may very well have morning fog roll in at 2pm in the afternoon!

Temperatures, atmospheric conditions, humidity, winds, it'll all be wrong unless you intend to fly nothing but real time.

True that, but, you can also set the weather to whatever you wish, so... you can always override that and be happy.

8 hours ago, B777ER said:

You are classic example of one of the person's seeing the visuals of MS2020 and forgetting everything else like I mentioned in my original post. Sad.  The numerous "smallest details" added up all together is what makes a great sim. If you can't see that, frankly I don't care.

 

Have you contacted any of the manufacturers of the kit / software you posses to see what they are doing to make sure what they sold you works?

As I'm sure you are aware, FSUIPC is essentially a piece of middleware. It might not work with FS2020 because it might not NEED to be in FS2020. MS/Asobo have mentioned several times they are open to talking to 3rd parties and actively have been. Rather than calling some of the posters here "sad" because they don't see things from your point of view, what are you doing to help the situation?

"If you can't see that, frankly I don't care." - with that kind of attitude what do you expect to get from this or any other forum?

8 hours ago, B777ER said:

 The numerous "smallest details" added up all together is what makes a great sim.

 

I agree with that but as far we know right now, FS20 is much more than visuals. A new FDE architecture, a new weather model are no small things.  Haven’t we hoped for that for quite some time ?  Between retro-compatibility with middleware stopgaps and new visuals+FDE+weather, the choice seems easy, so much so that it is probable that the new sim shouldn’t need these stopgaps.

10 hours ago, F737NG said:

I feel sad for the people finding perceived (but not confirmed) faults of a new sim that will deliver:

I agree with you. This is a fine example of people who fear innovation and next-gen products. Having doubts is perfectly normal but keep in mind that we have only seen a very very small portion of the sim. Currently we're basically trying to discuss the interior of a car under prototype camouflage. I hope that once MS/Asobo releases more information about their SDK, things will settle down here.

Do I feel sad because my $1000 iPhone is being replaced every year with a new phone or that my current year car model is being replaced by next year's model? No, not at all, it's just how our economics work, it's a continued cycle of innovation and refinement. I do agree however that not all product categories benefit from yearly releases, like do we need a new iPhone every year? Probably not but their investors say yes.

And maybe most importantly: nobody is forcing you to abandon P3D, FSX, FS9 or X-Plane. You can perfectly buy MSFS to fly VFR flights (for the better visuals and weather depiction) while still using the others for IFR flights. At some point though, there will be little to no reason to keep using the older platforms (unless some specific aircraft or other feature hasn't been ported yet to MSFS).

Edited November 19, 20196 yr by simtom

Regarding the whole FSUIPC discussion i'd like to point out that, according to Squirrel, Asobo has kept peripherals and home cockpits in mind (they apparently have built one in their studio) and will provide the necessary tools.

13:33 if the video doesn't start at the correct time.

 

17 hours ago, simtom said:

I agree with you. This is a fine example of people who fear innovation and next-gen products.

I fear going backwards for the sake of pretty pictures!

I didn't point out anything besides weather in my last post but AI is even worse! With live AI you have the same problem as weather. Unless you fly real time, you can have busy airports at 2am in the morning and emtpy airports during the day. Not to mention all the other possible restrictions and problems that will need to be overcome with this form of AI.

I think you guys have all been brainwashed. I want a better flight simulator than what I have. Next gen product does not instantly mean better.

Edited November 20, 20196 yr by Skywatcher

31 minutes ago, Max50 said:

I fear going backwards for the sake of pretty pictures!

I didn't point out anything besides weather in my last post but AI is even worse! With live AI you have the same problem as weather. Unless you fly real time, you can have busy airports at 2am in the morning and emtpy airports during the day. Not to mention all the other possible restrictions and problems that will need to be overcome with this form of AI.

I think you guys have all been brainwashed. I want a better flight simulator than what I have. Next gen product does not instantly mean better.

I totally agree that we need historic weather (at best one year back) and historic AI traffic (at least 24 h back).

But as far as I can see nowhere has been said that we won't get that.

 

Edited November 20, 20196 yr by RALF9636

Just now, RALF9636 said:

I totally agree that we need historic weather (at best one year back) and historic AI traffic (at least 24 h back).

But as far as I can see nowhere has been said that we won't get that.

 

It has been said but I can't remember where but it was reliable. I only remember the reliable stuff and don't take notice of guessing.

 

I'll take much more realistic weather that might not be totally accurate per time of day over weather that is always inferior regardless of the time of day.

Give me "these clouds and that windsheer are incredibly realistic" over "cumulonimbus before 8am? shame on you Microsoft" every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

...and I wouldn't be surprised if the Asobo folk already have an answer to that (unconfirmed) issue already, or at least by time of release.

They have already shown us far more than just pretty pictures and if you care to ignore that you might as well ignore everything else.

Love from Mr Brainwashed.

 

Edited November 20, 20196 yr by b737800

2 hours ago, Max50 said:

I fear going backwards for the sake of pretty pictures!

I didn't point out anything besides weather in my last post but AI is even worse! With live AI you have the same problem as weather. Unless you fly real time, you can have busy airports at 2am in the morning and emtpy airports during the day. Not to mention all the other possible restrictions and problems that will need to be overcome with this form of AI.

I think you guys have all been brainwashed. I want a better flight simulator than what I have. Next gen product does not instantly mean better.

You are complaining about features which aren't even confirmed yet, just so you can further bash on MSFS.

Easy there about calling us brainwashed, no need for that.

You want a better flight sim but you don't believe that MSFS will be it? Well, good luck then.

15 hours ago, simtom said:

You are complaining about features which aren't even confirmed yet, just so you can further bash on MSFS.

Easy there about calling us brainwashed, no need for that.

You want a better flight sim but you don't believe that MSFS will be it? Well, good luck then.

I don't want to read of anyone here moaning that weather isn't right, AI isn't right, this isn't there, that isn't there after MSFS release.

You have an opportunity now to offer feedback and get clarification on features and how they will work. While you just sit here and say WOW to everything, it'll all be in the final product as is and you will have to live with it.

The weather will likely suck, the AI may suck, tell them so they can make changes now.

Edited November 21, 20196 yr by Skywatcher

If you think the weather will "likely suck" then you haven't been paying attention. There's plenty of time for feedback and there will be no shortage of criticism, both deserved and undeserved.