5 minutes ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

I'm going to enjoy this ... I'll be back

But when will you be back? I'm just asking casually, for no particular reason at all. 😉

16 hours ago, Pete Dowson said:

Nice. So why do PMDG aircraft cause stutters when they save their data? Are they doing it deliberately? All FSUIPC does is make one call to SimConnect to request a flight is saved, and possibly one file deletion to maintain the cycle.

I don't think that they're doing anything deliberately - it seems like there's some sort of pattern of I/O that makes the anti-virus freak and slow things down. I expect the sim gets blocked on that I/O operation so if the anti-virus blocks it, the world grinds to a halt.

I should really dig further using Windows diagnostics to see exactly how much disk I/O P3D is doing, and compare other aircraft with the exclusions on or off - it might be interesting because so many people simply turn autosave off, then complain when their sim crashes and their flight is "lost"! 🙂

Cheers!

 

1 hour ago, Chapstick said:

But when will you be back? I'm just asking casually, for no particular reason at all. 😉

Good try... 😉

Richard.

Same here Rob. P3d3 and XP10 used to crash for me occasionally, but I honestly can't remember the last time that either P3d4 or XP11 CTD. It's probably that memory handling in intensive 32 bit apps made everything prone to instability.

8 hours ago, tolip2 said:

... And the source is nothing more than a vague changelog entry from a 3rd party company.

 

Actually, page 2, first line of the 6th post of this very thread is as close to a confirmation as you can get.

On 4/5/2020 at 11:24 AM, Pete Dowson said:

I should remind you, then, that if these are noticeable it is usually because you are using a sophisticated add-on aircraft like those from PMDG and FSL, which actually freeze the sim whilst assembling and writing the files they use to record the complete state of the cockpit and systems.

The only part FSUIPC's Autosave plays is sending the request to SimConnect to save a flight.  That's the same function you can operate by the ; key (unless reassigned). FSUIPC is just saving you entering the name for the saved flight and removing the oldest saved file.

There is no way of performing an Autosave without saving data to disk. That's what it is!

Pete

 

Pete you are absolutely right since I only use PMDG aircraft and the pauses take place whenever I use them. Maybe I should have mentioned this on my post, my intention wasn't to in any way give FSUIPC a bad name. Just wanted to remind everyone using sophisticated aircraft that this can happen when using autosave.

 

 

 

On 4/5/2020 at 3:54 PM, Ray Proudfoot said:

Indeed they are and given @ideoplastichas one it’s odd.

The M.2 drive is my C:\ drive and P3D is not installed there. I am running all sliders to the right and don't get any pauses at all except when switching autosave  on some very long haul flights just in case there is a sim crash. The fact that FSUIPC itself is not responsible for the pauses doesn't mean one should not mention this for people who are using aircraft like PMDG and may not be aware of this fact.

31 minutes ago, ideoplastic said:

The M.2 drive is my C:\ drive and P3D is not installed there. I am running all sliders to the right and don't get any pauses at all except when switching autosave  on some very long haul flights just in case there is a sim crash. The fact that FSUIPC itself is not responsible for the pauses doesn't mean one should not mention this for people who are using aircraft like PMDG and may not be aware of this fact.

It’s just that in your original post you mentioned the pauses only happen when AutoSave is enabled without qualifying that statement.

7 hours ago, SierraDelta said:

Actually, page 2, first line of the 6th post of this very thread is as close to a confirmation as you can get.

Someone not working at LM reading from the specs of the DX12 API is not a confirmation.

Regardless if there is a new P3D version around the corner or not I think the ship has already sailed. If LM wanted to keep their flightsim customers they should have given us some hope and hints about their progress as soon as they started to see people leaving P3D for other alternatives. Vulkan is already out there for two other sims that are gaining popularity every day, and even during these hard times MS keep releasing new alpha versions and fixing pretty much every bug that people report.

LM on the other hand has barely fixed a single of the hundreds of old FSX bugs that are still being reported over and over again by frustrated users. In fact I have seen absolutely no sign lately that P3D is even maintained anymore. Maybe it is but that's not the point. Ignoring users and bug reports for several years is the point. I mean here we are may years later and we still see huge threads about offloading core0, microstutters, commercial addons that people pay a lot of $$$ for just to get basic functionality or fix bugs, bouncing airplanes on the runway, popping runway lights, broken AI a/c sound, terrible AA performance, CTD:s, autogen buildings floating in the air and other elevation issues. The list goes on. If you looked at the FS9 or FSX forums 10 years ago you would pretty much see EXACTLY the same issues that are being discussed in the P3D forums today.

If you think that switching from DX11 to DX12 is going to change any of this, think again.

15 hours ago, JoeFackel said:

Uhm ... nope. They have never done that and i'm sure they won't do it this time. Every release (beside Hot fixes) came out of nowhere in the last years.

They only hint we had was when Pete Dowson has gone on holiday, then you had an 98,567% chance that the next release will happen in a few days.

That's true, but I don't think they're stupid and I'm pretty sure that they realize that they're losing customers like never before right now. Keeping dead silent about their own product and progress right now if they really have something great coming up? Sorry, I don't believe it.

15 hours ago, G-RFRY said:

Yes and we now everything about MSFS confirmed information 6 months of speculation.

Sorry, I'm not sure I understand what you're trying to say. If you think MSFS2020 is just a bunch of speculations I really don't agree. It's pretty obvious that they're extremely serious when it comes to listening to the opinions of their alpha testers and they really go great lengths to show us their progress. So far I have never seen them promising anything that they didn't keep.  They're also very open with their progress, e.g. what they're working on now or what areas they have to work on later. The same goes for the developers of the other sims. We LM customers, on the other hand, go on for 6 pages about how cool the new major version will be and that it's going to be a real game changer. Based on a single line from a release note of a 3rd party developer.

I'm not trying to create a flamewar about which FS is the best. Everyone is entitled to have their own opinion about that.  What I do know is that a LOT is happening in the flightsim area right now and I don't see that LM shows any sign of caring to be at the top.
 

12 minutes ago, tolip2 said:

That's true, but I don't think they're stupid and I'm pretty sure that they realize that they're losing customers like never before right now. Keeping dead silent about their own product and progress right now if they really have something great coming up? Sorry, I don't believe it.

Look, I'm right there with you on your frustrations with P3D, but it could not be more blatantly obvious that V5 has been in the works for a while and will likely be released soon. We have a beta tester in this very thread under NDA basically confirming V5's existence in every way possible that doesn't violate said NDA. I have no idea why you're being so obstinate.

11 minutes ago, tolip2 said:

That's true, but I don't think they're stupid and I'm pretty sure that they realize that they're losing customers like never before right now. Keeping dead silent about their own product and progress right now if they really have something great coming up? Sorry, I don't believe it.

You think like that. LM does not as it appears to be ...

MS is always creating hypes with new products. That is the way they do it. Some addon developers do the same and sometimes they can not deliver the golden goose they claimed to have ...

LM on the other hand does not do that. They release a product and then you can read/see what it is.

 

28 minutes ago, tolip2 said:

That's true, but I don't think they're stupid and I'm pretty sure that they realize that they're losing customers like never before right now.

Losing customers to what? An sim which is still in beta where nobody for sure knows if its been released this year?

I one point you're right: they're not stupid. They know pretty sure what to do.

Edited April 7, 20206 yr by JoeFackel

14 hours ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

I'm going to enjoy this ... I'll be back

... thanks, I needed a good laugh 

End of what?  Those humans and their darn emotions ...

Live long and prosper 

Cheers, Rob.

Ok, change that to they SHOULD tell us if they have a new release in the pipe. Keeping dead silent when losing customers by the minute is not the smartest thing to do, is it?

Your sarcasm kind of proves my point though. I know there is absolutely nothing that can change your mind about the superiority of P3D and that's fine. Many other simmers have come to a different conclusion though now when they see what can actually be done in other software.

I'm happy that you had a good laugh about the MSFS release. I guess you have some inside info that it is just a hoax and will never be released. I actually prefer following their (fake?) progress information and (fake?) videos and (fake?) screenshots rather than seeing hundreds of bugs being completely and totally ignored for years and years, as is the case with another sim where people have to rely on Pete Dowson's vacation schedule to get information about the development progress.