Just now, JoeFackel said:

When using a Homepit ... you have never thought about ProSim?

I know, not a bargain. But WAY easier to drive a homepit with it and you also get used licences for the half price.

If I knew then what I know now I would have gone that route. But the way I decided to go

means that it would be very difficult if not impossible to change my cockpit to the ProSim

because it uses a mixture of products, due to cost considerations. My overhead would

actually work with the ProSim, but not other aspects of the cockpit unfortunately. Ultimately

I may have to bite the bullet and replace the overhead which will cost me a lot of dough

and require a lot of modification to the fabric of the cockpit. Still 'Cest la vie' I suppose.

I have a touchscreen overhead via aviaworx and all the buttons work over a network. So there must be a way to get it working? The nice thing about this setup is that I can also change to 747 with a click on a button 😉

4 minutes ago, Caveney737 said:

Maybe because it doesn't really affect you. I have a home cockpit based on the NGX and as much as I 

want to upgrade to the NGXu, I can't because my overhead panel is not compatible with it and never will

be. So now I am stuck with 4.5 and no option to upgrade, for the sake of a simple installer.

While I don't have an actual home cockpit, I have a full 737 throttle quadrant that I used with the NGX and now the NGXu. I didn't know whether it would be compatible with the NGXu. I was lucky and it works perfectly. But if it didn't and I wanted to switch to P3D v5, I don't feel like I would fault PMDG for not further supporting an older, replaced product. People with more advanced hardware like us are also really a small minority and we have to keep that mind when making plans like that. There is always the risk of some of that hardware not working with newer stuff.

If it really only requires an installer you should be able to manually install the NGX over from your current installation, so this doesn't mean you can absolutely not upgrade to v5 because of the lack of official NGX support. But PMDG might not even know themselves at this point if an installer only will do the job since they have stated they still need to test more.

Just now, rob0203 said:

I have a touchscreen overhead via aviaworx and all the buttons work over a network. So there must be a way to get it working? The nice thing about this setup is that I can also change to 747 with a click on a button 😉

No afraid not. It is a VRinsight  overhead and they have stopped supporting their products.

No new drivers for ages. I contacted them to plead with them to update the driver when

the NGXu came out, but they basically told me to go away.

3 minutes ago, threegreen said:

While I don't have an actual home cockpit, I have a full 737 throttle quadrant that I used with the NGX and now the NGXu. I didn't know whether it would be compatible with the NGXu. I was lucky and it works perfectly. But if it didn't and I wanted to switch to P3D v5, I don't feel like I would fault PMDG for not further supporting an older, replaced product. People with more advanced hardware like us are also really a small minority and we have to keep that mind when making plans like that. There is always the risk of some of that hardware not working with newer stuff.

If it really only requires an installer you should be able to manually install the NGX over from your current installation, so this doesn't mean you can absolutely not upgrade to v5 because of the lack of official NGX support. But PMDG might not even know themselves at this point if an installer only will do the job since they have stated they still need to test more.

I don't expect them to support it, or update it or correct anything that isn't working. It would just have been nice to

say they would maybe update the installer so owners could use it 'Sold as seen' , not just refuse point blank.

It's not as if it was a $20 purchase. Anyway they won't so that's that. I may try a manual install but that's 

probably a minefield with a complicated product like the NGX.

4 minutes ago, Caveney737 said:

I don't expect them to support it, or update it or correct anything that isn't working. It would just have been nice to

say they would maybe update the installer so owners could use it 'Sold as seen' , not just refuse point blank.

I get where you're coming from, but I also get PMDG in this regard. They replaced the product with a new one and announced it would not be made compatible with newer sims. Now v5 is here and who's to say that people won't ask them to update it to v5.1 or v6 also? At some point support will end and they've made that decision now.

1 minute ago, threegreen said:

I get where you're coming from, but I also get PMDG in this regard. They replaced the product with a new one and announced it would not be made compatible with newer sims. Now v5 is here and who's to say that people won't ask them to update it to v5.1 or v6 also? At some point support will end and they've made that decision now.

Yes, I get that too. Just feeling hard done by at the moment 🙂

Just now, Caveney737 said:

Yes, I get that too. Just feeling hard done by at the moment 🙂

Fair enough.

Now if only they would release the JS41 for v4/5....I’d be a happy man!

1 hour ago, Caveney737 said:

Maybe because it doesn't really affect you. I have a home cockpit based on the NGX and as much as I 

want to upgrade to the NGXu, I can't because my overhead panel is not compatible with it and never will

be. So now I am stuck with 4.5 and no option to upgrade, for the sake of a simple installer.

I would be more angry at the maker of the overhead panel for not making drivers that make it work with the new version.  Right?

Edit: I see the last few posts discussed this.  

Edited April 13, 20206 yr by micstatic

2 hours ago, captain420 said:

With MSFS2020 on the horizon this year, I'm not sure which route I will take. I've been out of the flight simming space for a long time now. Last time I've flown was primarily in P3D4 and XP11. Now that I'm back, it seems like there are 3 new choices, MSFS2020, XP11 Vulkan and P3D5 DX12. It's great seeing that we have choices and that each of these developers for the 3 platforms are making improvements. But I cannot afford to buy and support add-ons for all these different platforms. If I was rich, it would be a no-brainer, but unfortunately I'm not. So I am going to have to do some research to figure out which platform is best for me and try to invest my time and money there. I've been eyeing MSFS2020 because that really caught my attention the most out of the 3. Seems to be the platform that offers the most noticeable improvements and features. I fly mostly heavy birds like the Boeings and Airbuses like 737, 777, 747, 787, A320, A330, etc. I do occasionally fly GA but it's not my preference. MSFS2020 seems like it includes almost everything inside the box, meaning less money that I'll have to invest in 3rd party add-ons. This is a sim I've been waiting on that looks amazing from the start without having to spend extra money to make it into the sim that we expect it to be.

So, I am probably going to hold off and wait for MSFS2020, because if PMDG planes will come out on that platform, then it's going to be a definite yes for me. I've already read that the 747 is already in the works for MSFS2020, and if that's true, then the others will follow as well.

But if MSFS2020 doesn't meet my expectations, then I will probably settle between XP11 and P3D5, depending on which one will offer me better performance and meet my overall expectations

Captain420 I'm in a similar situation. I currently have FSX:SE and XP11 (which is now my main sim).

I've just started to get flying on Vatsim, and with XP11 Vulkan and full UK ortho scenery, plus the free! practically fully featured Zibomod 737 it is a completely stutter free experience. Locked 60fps.

I'm not going to pay for the upgrade to P3Dv5, given that when MSFS comes out the latest versions of the PMDG aircraft will be on it for full price again.

Exactly... Since MSFS 2020 is due out this year. I'm definitely not going to purchase P3D5 and PMDG planes, and then have to repurchase those planes all over for MSFS 2020. I might just skip P3Dv5 altogether, since there's no reason to buy the same planes twice.

2 hours ago, threegreen said:

Coincidentally, I was just typing a reply to this thread addressing precisely this, which is another example of what I said earlier, that people will criticize just about anything nowadays when it comes to PMDG.

Sure, you can criticize the price point of the NGXu, especially coming from having just bought the NGX. That's valid criticism in my opinion. But people won't stop there. They will go as far as claiming that the NGXu being new from the ground up is a lie and it's nothing more than the NGX with bells and whistles. There is no way you could possibly know unless you were part of the development team, meaning you know the code and the addon from the inside-out. Being just another customer there is nothing to proof if this criticism is valid and there isn't even anything that might suggest this view.

Personally, I have flown the NGX for 6-7 years and have a lot of hours now in the NGXu as well. I see myself in no position to make any sort of assumption, let alone claim, that the NGXu is merely the old dog disguised as a pup with a hat. And no, FSElite have no way of knowing that either just by reviewing the product and giving their rating. There is a lot more that is new to the NGXu instead of PBR and an EFB. Come on. And if one thinks it doesn't give them much more because the NGX is also a 737 then, well, it's the same aircraft type which is simulated.

Yes, prices are high and they charge full prices for people going from one sim to another instead of offering lower upgrade fees for these people. But they develop a new 737 to make use of the newest tech and the response to that is that people think they are in a position to know that they're re-selling the same thing to lie people into spending more.

I'm not directing this specifically at you, Ray. But I think it would do the community good if people stuck to criticizing things they actually can, such as price models. But inherent development work and the core of an addon is not one of those things and yet it seems more and more simmers feel that way.

If you’ve had several years out of the NGX then you’re probably okay buying the new version. And I know you’re not criticising me as I’ve only had it for 15 months.

FS Elite just expressed an opinion as anyone is entitled to do. Remember there are no right or wrong opinions, just different ones. What I quoted from their review was their opinion.

You say...”There is a lot more that is new to the NGXu instead of PBR and an EFB...”. Please tell me what because I looked through the changes and found nothing that was fundamentally different from the NGX. Split winglets perhaps? Improved flight model? Am I as a non-pilot going to know how much better it is than the NGX which I consider very good?

The problem for me personally is the decision as to whether I stick with P3D or swap to MFS. That is down to FS Labs. They have said they will only produce one 64-bit version of Concorde which is not a promise, just a ambition. Which sim they decide to go with means I have to go that way since I really want that aircraft above all others.

They have said there will be a $100 credit for the MFS version so that leaves the door open for a purchase which can be used on either P3Dv5 or MFS. Still a lot of money especially for us Brits with the conversion rate. 🤨

Life is very complicated.

Edited April 13, 20206 yr by Ray Proudfoot

39 minutes ago, captain420 said:

Exactly... Since MSFS 2020 is due out this year. I'm definitely not going to purchase P3D5 and PMDG planes, and then have to repurchase those planes all over for MSFS 2020. I might just skip P3Dv5 altogether, since there's no reason to buy the same planes twice.

Didn’t PMDG say if you buy the NGXu for P3D there will be a $100 credit towards the MFS version. But if they charge $150 for that that’s still another $50 to pay. Of course if the price remains at $100 it’s a free version.

2 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Didn’t PMDG say if you buy the NGXu for P3D there will be a $100 credit towards the MFS version. But if they charge $150 for that that’s still another $50 to pay. Of course if the price remains at $100 it’s a free version.

Yes but I think that only applied to purchases of it before a certain time wich has since passed. I think.