LM's licence from MS was to the ESP core provided its use was only for commercial and educational purposes and not as a consumer entertainment product, hence the academic edition licence for P3D.

I'm guessing here but I imagine MS retains, if not outright ownership, usage rights to whatever modifications LM has done to the core ESP engine. I imagine those rights are restricted to consumer entertainment products only so MS can't use LM's code to directly compete against it in the pro training and education markets.

Otherwise can you imagine the fury among simmers if MSFS2020's advertised backwards compatibility will only support FSX add ons? If P3D aircraft won't work in MSFS2020 until they're natively ported, there'll be a lot of very angry and upset people on here. Making it FSX only would largely defeat the point of backwards compatibility.

1 hour ago, lambourne said:

LM's licence from MS was to the ESP core provided its use was only for commercial and educational purposes and not as a consumer entertainment product, hence the academic edition licence for P3D.

I'm guessing here but I imagine MS retains, if not outright ownership, usage rights to whatever modifications LM has done to the core ESP engine. I imagine those rights are restricted to consumer entertainment products only so MS can't use LM's code to directly compete against it in the pro training and education markets.

Otherwise can you imagine the fury among simmers if MSFS2020's advertised backwards compatibility will only support FSX add ons? If P3D aircraft won't work in MSFS2020 until they're natively ported, there'll be a lot of very angry and upset people on here. Making it FSX only would largely defeat the point of backwards compatibility.

LM purchased the core ESP, NOT licenced it, & all the versions that they market is not for entertainment.

MS has no more ownership of ESP, it is wholey a LM product. As it is the ESP core, nothing LM can do with it is for entertainment.

Consider MSFS (thats the official name, not FS2020) as a totally separate product with new add-ons, that will stop all 'fury'!

The imported P3d flight model would probably be only based on only one point of reference and not be even worth flying in FS2020 based on that alone!

Edited July 16, 20205 yr by Kilo60

I find it breathtaking that people want some freeware aircraft from FSX to work in the all new MSFS with its completely new amazing flight dynamics and will be disappointed if it does not work!

It's like someone asking a Tesla car dealer "can i play my C90 cassettes in it because if not, I am going to be disappointed!!!!"

Edited July 16, 20205 yr by Nyxx

45 minutes ago, Wobbie said:

LM purchased the core ESP, NOT licenced it, & all the versions that they market is not for entertainment.

MS has no more ownership of ESP, it is wholey a LM product. As it is the ESP core, nothing LM can do with it is for entertainment.

Consider MSFS (thats the official name, not FS2020) as a totally separate product with new add-ons, that will stop all 'fury'!

No, they didn’t purchase ESP outright. Go back and read the announcements from the time. LM only got a licence to the ESP code.

I did read it, and it states that LM were licenced to PURCHASE the intellectual property and source code of ESP.. LM actually owned it. 

Maybe read again? Purchase =to buy

The following is the wording used. 

 

Following the closure of the Aces Game Studio in January 2009, Lockheed Martin announced in late 2009 that they had negotiated with Microsoft a licensing agreement to purchase the intellectual property (including source code) for the Microsoft ESP product. 

1 hour ago, Nyxx said:

I find it breathtaking that people want some freeware aircraft from FSX to work in the all new MSFS with its completely new amazing flight dynamics and will be disappointed if it does not work!

It's like someone asking a Tesla car dealer "can i play my C90 cassettes in it because if not, I am going to be disappointed!!!!"

Sorry to take your breath away.

The issue for me is that it will take years for freeware developers to make planes and repaints for MSFS 2020.  Personally, I don't want to be forced to pay exorbitant prices for planes that are only available as payware.

There are thousands of freeware planes and repaints for P3D in existence and it would be nice to be able to use them until better ones are created for MSFS 2020.

I wouldn't even be asking this question if MSFS 2020 developers had not already stated that they would try to incorporate some backwards compatibility with FSX and P3D aircraft.

Dave

21 minutes ago, Wobbie said:

I did read it, and it states that LM were licenced to PURCHASE the intellectual property and source code of ESP.. LM actually owned it. 

Maybe read again? Purchase =to buy

The following is the wording used. 

 

Following the closure of the Aces Game Studio in January 2009, Lockheed Martin announced in late 2009 that they had negotiated with Microsoft a licensing agreement to purchase the intellectual property (including source code) for the Microsoft ESP product. 

The official announcement from Microsoft only talks about licensing the IP, not selling it. No mention of purchasing the code or IP rights outright anywhere.

https://news.microsoft.com/2009/11/30/lockheed-martin-microsoft-agreement-to-bring-better-training-to-warfighters/
 

11 minutes ago, dave2013 said:

I wouldn't even be asking this question if MSFS 2020 developers had not already stated that they would try to incorporate some backwards compatibility with FSX and P3D aircraft.

Dave

But did they really say FSX and P3D? I only remember FSX legacy mode (or words to that effect) being mentioned. I could, however, very well be wrong ...

According to Asobo , MFS uses up to 1000 point surface simulation while FSX./P3D only had 1 point.  I am guessing that porting a P3D plane to MFS is not a trivial matter.

Why not just use the ones that come with MSFS, they look really good for anyone not wanted to buy add on aircraft and will use the 1000 point system not the the 1 point, but ofc each to their own.

19 minutes ago, fogboundturtle said:

According to Asobo , MFS uses up to 1000 point surface simulation while FSX./P3D only had 1 point.  I am guessing that porting a P3D plane to MFS is not a trivial matter.

They would probably fly with the legacy flight model.  

Hook

Ditto!!!

2 hours ago, Nyxx said:

I find it breathtaking that people want some freeware aircraft from FSX to work in the all new MSFS with its completely new amazing flight dynamics and will be disappointed if it does not work!

It's like someone asking a Tesla car dealer "can i play my C90 cassettes in it because if not, I am going to be disappointed!!!!"

You've obviously never flown the FSX/ P3D Manfred Jahn's C47 or the RFN Crusader or the Cal Classics Douglas DC-7 or pretty much anything by Milton Shupe or JanKees...

These are all incredible freeware aircraft lovingly crafted by incredibly talented designers and teams who do it for the love of it and the authenticity of the flight model/ dynamics and performance. They are digital works of art.

MSFS2020 (sorry Wobbie!) will supoort these models and allow them to be flown in legacy mode - and tweaked 😉 in the new sim - so why not?

Edited July 16, 20205 yr by Will Fly For Cheese

Why would P3D aircraft be compatible with the new Microsoft Flight Simulator?