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Still worried about the flight model ... how planes move

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1 hour ago, Dominique_K said:

 I am however a little surprised they made so much fuss about the 1000-point system to give it up and get back to the FSX architecture according to most accounts.

Because that sells. You create expectation or hope ( for lack of a better word) Even if at the end you don’t or can’t deliver.

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5 hours ago, Slides said:

Comments on the FM on some of the GA aircraft from a pilot: https://forums.mudspike.com/t/microsoft-flight-simulator-2020/8616/1729

Forward slipping the DR-400 is great…loads of extra drag on the side facing fuselage…the VSI pegs full down. At idle I’m not so sure that the plane isn’t a little too draggy without the slip…but I love it. Took a short jaunt from WX53 over the ridge to WACY - another fun strip to land at. Just fantastic.

👍

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On 8/13/2020 at 9:33 AM, robert young said:

One of the reasons this thread is still open is that generally people are reasonably respectful of others and are addressing the subject, not insulting the person. For this thread to continue being open then what you describe as passive-aggressive is a necessary Voltairian enlightenment approach to argument, which is to tolerate others' points of view while expressing your own. That is not passive-aggressive. It's being civilised.

Wow a philosopher too.

Impressive.

Stop disrespecting people. You started with the aggressive comments. I tried to keep it light hearted ... both against my instincts and my general empathy for Schopenhauer; which - as I'm sure you know - would be to simply not care, as there is little point.

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4 minutes ago, Gabe777 said:

Stop disrespecting people.

Huh? How did Robert do that?

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6 minutes ago, Gabe777 said:

Wow a philosopher too.

Impressive.

Stop disrespecting people. You started with the aggressive comments. I tried to keep it light hearted ... both against my instincts and my general empathy for Schopenhauer; which - as I'm sure you know - would be to simply not care, as there is little point.

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He’s not disrespected anyone. Wind your neck in. 

Where are those rumors about the FSX flight model coming from? Is there anything factual?

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1 hour ago, Gabe777 said:

Wow a philosopher too.

Impressive.

Stop disrespecting people. You started with the aggressive comments. I tried to keep it light hearted ... both against my instincts and my general empathy for Schopenhauer; which - as I'm sure you know - would be to simply not care, as there is little point.

(Edited: to remove notification.)

I haven't made a single aggressive comment. It's not my style. I focus on the subject. Sorry you don't see it that way.

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1 hour ago, tweekz said:

Where are those rumors about the FSX flight model coming from? Is there anything factual?

Sebastian Wloch has confirmed on Twitter that they are NOT using the FSX model, that it is the 1000 point et al. that was detailed in the feature discovery video. 

54 minutes ago, Bottle said:

Sebastian Wloch has confirmed on Twitter that they are NOT using the FSX model, that it is the 1000 point et al. that was detailed in the feature discovery video. 

Do you have a link?

There is so much drama going on right now. When people spot something they directly draw conclusions. For example those ("improved") legacy files might (beside the legacy mode) be useful to store some basic parameters. Then there might be another module somewhere that takes the geometric shape into consideration ...

Besides, yesterday Wloch talked about how much he enjoyed working on aerodynamics. That would be weird in the context of utlimately scrapping the new flight model.

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7 minutes ago, tweekz said:

Do you have a link?

😉

 

Dominique

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10 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

😉

So, tell me, what is more embarassing? That I didn't check the forum (I guess that can happen), or that I checked Twitter and didn't see it! 😄

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14 minutes ago, tweekz said:

There is so much drama going on right now. When people spot something they directly draw conclusions.

Considering the propensity to wear tin foil hats around here, the likelihood that Asobo made a whole video etc. about their FM and then secretly pulled it in favour of FSX single point and are continuing to cover it up is extremely unlikely. That someone who claims to be in the beta says on the internet that it's not the case was immediately dismissable in my opinion because, INTERNET. 

1 minute ago, tweekz said:

So, tell me, what is more embarassing? That I didn't check the forum (I guess that can happen), or that I checked Twitter and didn't see it! 😄

None. So much going on, so much to read ! And since yesterday fascinating developments in international affairs to add to the load of reading and watching ! And  my pizza topping to cook ! 

Dominique

Simming since 1981 -  [email protected] GHz with 16 GB of RAM and a 1080 with 8 GB VRAM running a 27" @ 2560*1440 - Windows 10 - Warthog HOTAS - MFG pedals - MSFS Standard version with Steam

 

3 hours ago, RudyB24 said:

A lookup table to find the wing lift force L dependent on airspeed and AoA is much quicker than calculating   L = .5 * Cl * r * V^2 * A  a thousand times, over and over again.

But still ... once you have the force, the acceleration a = L / m  and displacement d = v * t  + a * t^2

Just saying ... with a 50 ton heavy object the visible displacement starts slow. 🙂

In modern cpus a lookup table is no longer needed.

20 years ago with fsx this flight model would have been improbable. But now for example a 9900k can do 588 billion floating point operations per second.

Lets say it takes 20 float calculations per point.  That's only 20k per frame. Times 60 frames a second its a minor 1.2 million float calculations per second.

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