1 minute ago, Slides said:

Any tester willing to share their opinion on whether airflow modeling on the surface of aircraft is there or are they using a souped up version of FSX's derivative equations? 

Still under NDA until Tuesday.

Just now, Slides said:

Any tester willing to share their opinion on whether airflow modeling on the surface of aircraft is there or are they using a souped up version of FSX's derivative equations? 

Don't know, but does it really matter?  Could you tell the difference from the cockpit between the "1000 points" thingy and a well designed table driven flight model?

All I know is, if you change parameters in the files it affects the aircraft even in the Modern flight model.

Hook

14 minutes ago, Slides said:

Any tester willing to share their opinion on whether airflow modeling on the surface of aircraft is there or are they using a souped up version of FSX's derivative equations? 

A tester at Mudspike who has received permission is giving quite detailed information about locations, planes, flight modelling, etc.....

38 minutes ago, LHookins said:

Don't know, but does it really matter?  Could you tell the difference from the cockpit between the "1000 points" thingy and a well designed table driven flight model?

All I know is, if you change parameters in the files it affects the aircraft even in the Modern flight model.

Hook

Only in how the aircraft will interact with the weather it would be a factor.

And also to dunk on Austin.

38 minutes ago, LHookins said:

Could you tell the difference from the cockpit between the "1000 points" thingy and a well designed table driven flight model?

Let me expand on this.

Knowing they use the "1000 points" flight model might be more intellectually satisfying, but ultimately it's totally useless.  Let me tell you the Big Secret:  It's all smoke and mirrors.  Every bit of it.  Thousands of building blocks come together to produce an emergent behavior that reminds us of flight.  The magic comes in because it's more Art than Science.

Go fly.  See what you think.

Hook

29 minutes ago, HiFlyer said:

A tester at Mudspike who has received permission is giving quite detailed information about locations, planes, flight modelling, etc.....

Is that good old BeachAV8R?

Just now, Slides said:

Is that good old BeachAV8R?

Yes.

Just now, LHookins said:

Let me expand on this.

Knowing they use the "1000 points" flight model might be more intellectually satisfying, but ultimately it's totally useless.  Let me tell you the Big Secret:  It's all smoke and mirrors.  Every bit of it.  Thousands of building blocks come together to produce an emergent behavior that reminds us of flight.  The magic comes in because it's more Art than Science.

Go fly.  See what you think.

Hook

Oh I agree. But I can't fly until the 18th. 😞

Comments on the FM on some of the GA aircraft from a pilot: https://forums.mudspike.com/t/microsoft-flight-simulator-2020/8616/1729

15 minutes ago, Slides said:

Comments on the FM on some of the GA aircraft from a pilot: https://forums.mudspike.com/t/microsoft-flight-simulator-2020/8616/1729

Well, there were a lot pilots involved in beta point out on some shortcoming and serious problems with FM and engine model. I'd be surprised if Asobo will be able to iron it out in such a short terms before release. Yet I still;; think FM in MSFS is big step up from FSX or P3D. But life is very ironic. Rudder is the most misunderstood control input by pilot in real life, and seems like same thing in sim modeling as well 🙂

 

1 hour ago, sd_flyer said:

Well, there were a lot pilots involved in beta point out on some shortcoming and serious problems with FM and engine model. I'd be surprised if Asobo will be able to iron it out in such a short terms before release. Yet I still;; think FM in MSFS is big step up from FSX or P3D. But life is very ironic. Rudder is the most misunderstood control input by pilot in real life, and seems like same thing in sim modeling as well 🙂

 

Depends on which aircraft then because BeachAV8R is a pilot and a long time simmer. I do trust his opinions a lot. 

4 minutes ago, Slides said:

Depends on which aircraft then because BeachAV8R is a pilot and a long time simmer. I do trust his opinions a lot. 

He is lucky he doesn't have watermarks on his screen 🙂

3 hours ago, Slides said:

Comments on the FM on some of the GA aircraft from a pilot: https://forums.mudspike.com/t/microsoft-flight-simulator-2020/8616/1729

At least my hobbyhorse, forward slips, seem to be working. Weather is said the best in all flightsims so far. Disappointing that rudder and turboprops need more work.

Edited August 14, 20205 yr by dilore

9 hours ago, LHookins said:

D Let me expand on this.

Knowing they use the "1000 points" flight model might be more intellectually satisfying, but ultimately it's totally useless.  Let me tell you the Big Secret:  It's all smoke and mirrors.  Every bit of it.  Thousands of building blocks come together to produce an emergent behavior that reminds us of flight.  The magic comes in because it's more Art than Science.

Go fly.  See what you think.

Hook

Witchcraft but I’ll settle for smoke and mirrors.  You are basically right, what is important is the final result. The wine rather the bottle.  I am however a little surprised they made so much fuss about the 1000-point system to give it up and get back to the FSX architecture according to most accounts.

EDIT my other thread about Sebastian Wloch's tweet confirms the use of the new 1000-point architecture not the FSX one

 

Edited August 14, 20205 yr by Dominique_K

A lookup table to find the wing lift force L dependent on airspeed and AoA is much quicker than calculating   L = .5 * Cl * r * V^2 * A  a thousand times, over and over again.

But still ... once you have the force, the acceleration a = L / m  and displacement d = v * t  + a * t^2

Just saying ... with a 50 ton heavy object the visible displacement starts slow. 🙂