1 hour ago, wthomas33065 said:

Neither is making hyperbole filled accusations that don't reflect the truth. Go back under your bridge.   

Why are people so sensitive and aggressive to anything remotely critical of MSFS? 

That type of response isn't called for.

36 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

Appalling reply to the OP in the second post.  A fairly new forum member comes here with a bit of optimism and somebody replies like that. 🙄

 

Yup, absolutely agree with that. If anyone is a bit narked off with the glitches, fair enough, but please don't unload your dismay on a fairly new forum member, post a report to the MS forum for that stuff and try to keep a bit optimistic. Yes it is annoying that some things are busted, but they will get fixed.

18 minutes ago, marsman2020 said:

Fired up the CJ4 for the first time last night, thought I'd try a jet.

The PFDs and FMS on that plane are closer to an airliner.  No Garmin here 

How the hell does this thing work?

I don't want to have to go watch hours of youtube videos (many of which are wrong or misinformed, because no one has told us what parts of the aircraft are actually supposed to be modeled) to hop into a new aircraft.

The lack of a manual in a simulation product is inexcusable no matter what is currently going on with other software.

You have never is P3D have you? Or any other Microsoft base product...

1 minute ago, DavidP said:

Why are people so sensitive and aggressive to anything remotely critical of MSFS? 

That type of response isn't called for.

Because that particular user loves to respond to any person who expresses satisfaction with the product with a pithy one line response that only serves to demean the developer and bad mouth the product.

The patch didn't break more than it fixed either quantitatively or qualitatively.  How many MSFS 2020 folks are camping out on FSX, XP or P3D forums bad mouthing that product?  So why is it ok for those to do so otherwise?

There's a difference between offering constructive criticism and being a troll, and it's obvious which that post happened to be, hence the invitation to retreat back to under the bridge.

5 minutes ago, DavidP said:

Why are people so sensitive and aggressive to anything remotely critical of MSFS? 

That type of response isn't called for.

Being critical is one thing....just spouting off an opinion because the sim isn’t exactly how one wants it is another.

 

why is this so hard to understand.

6 minutes ago, SierraDelta said:

He's been here since 2014 ...

In a way, that's almost worse.

If he's felt the urge to speak up so infrequently, and now when he does find enthusiasm to post, its instantly dumped on... 

1 minute ago, HiFlyer said:

In a way, that's almost worse.

If he's felt the urge to speak up so infrequently, and now when he does find enthusiasm to post, its instantly dumped on... 

It’s crazy isn’t it....why a sim has the reputation it does. It’s really sad to see things like you just mentioned. I hope the guy sticks around.

I flew around the freeware Toronto today and I was blown away. I don't know if I'll ever load P3D v4.5. I have so many places to explore that I doubt that I'll ever run out of places to visit.

17 minutes ago, DavidP said:

Why are people so sensitive and aggressive to anything remotely critical of MSFS? 

That type of response isn't called for.

Because they keep feeling the need to post in every single positive topic.  Its like "Look at my puppy and me flying" "That is nice and all but fix G1000 bug" like holy smokes we get it.  Stop raining on everyone's parade.

4 minutes ago, DJJose said:

I flew around the freeware Toronto today and I was blown away. I don't know if I'll ever load P3D v4.5. I have so many places to explore that I doubt that I'll ever run out of places to visit.

Right now this is the way to enjoy FS2020, landscape, complaining on other aspects means going against the tide that Asobe set...Then when TPD will deploy their weapons we could have something else, but now...just enjoy sightseeing

44 minutes ago, ahsmatt7 said:

You have never is P3D have you? Or any other Microsoft base product...

P3D is a professional product, not as consumer product, so I would not expect the same level of documentation.

FSX has a plethora of documentation included with the sim in the Learning Center.  Explanations of how most things work, multiple sets of Lessons (Student Pilot, Private Pilot, Instrument Pilot, Commercial Pilot, Airline Pilot).  Each aircraft has a couple of pages talking about the special aspects of that aircraft.  There's probably 100s of sections in that FSWeb section.  They even explain which features the GPS is supposed to have and how to fly different types of approaches using the GPS.

The first version of Flight Simulator I used, Version 2.1, had a complete manual that went through the basics of flight, explained all of the features included in that version, and had the charts for the airports in the back.

2 hours ago, tpete61 said:

Great to see your optimism for the next 12 months.

12 months from now it may very well be on the same level. If perfection comes from imperfection I sure don't see it with this development team. 1 step forward 2 steps backwards is hardly improving anything.

We are 6 weeks in which is 1-1/2 months. They have broken more then they have fixed.

 

Absolute tosh

5 minutes ago, marsman2020 said:

The first version of Flight Simulator I used, Version 2.1, had a complete manual that went through the basics of flight, explained all of the features included in that version, and had the charts for the airports in the back.

As I explained in an earlier post, that was in an era where you did not have an always on pipeline to something called the internet.

Your only resource was the manual and perhaps some stuff you could pick up at a book store.

Printed manuals started going away once you could get that information online.  And soon, even .pdf's started disappearing.

Being P3D is a professional product, then with it's $199 price tag I WOULD expect more documentation, not less.  So I'm not convinced your defense of their lack of documentation holds much water.
 

The bottom line is, product documentation undergoes cost analysis just like everything else.  And since it neither adversely or positively affects sales, then it is considered an expense.

The product has told you in the "contacting support" section of the "news" section.  

To share your feedback, find tips, discuss specific topics or request assistance, join the official forum:  https://forums.flightsimulator.com

To find answers to frequently asked questions or submit a request to customer support, head to the help portal:  https://flightsimulator.zendesk.com

It also talks about following them on various social media platforms.

Sadly that is the way of the future.  Until companies start seeing a financial incentive to documenting their products, this trend will continue.  

4 minutes ago, wthomas33065 said:

As I explained in an earlier post, that was in an era where you did not have an always on pipeline to something called the internet.

There should be a manual plain and simple, regardless of the excuses people are willing to make just so there can be some shiny new toy.

How else am I (or anyone else) supposed to know what is intended to work, vs what hasn't been implemented, vs what has been implemented and is broken and should be reported as a bug.

This so-called "simulator" is not accurate enough to use real world documentation for the actual aircraft performance and avionics functions, so I guess the only option is to watch a bunch of YouTubers wearing faux airline uniforms try to stumble through it for hours on end to try to glean some useful information.

1 minute ago, marsman2020 said:

There should be a manual plain and simple

I 1000% agree.  But you're not going to get one, plain and simple.  When people stop buying a product due to the lack of a manual, then that might change, until then, you're just barking at the moon.  Just stating a fact.