59 minutes ago, SierraHotel said:

(2) Nvidia have released new drivers which throttle both the. 90 & 80 to alleviate the crash problems.

(3) AMD announces their new gpu on the 28th, which begs the question, why have Nvidia rescheduled their 3070 launch for the 29th. They obviously fear AMD have something to shout about.

2) boils down to a mere 1% lower fps, hardly visible in-game

3) "they obviuosly fear AMD..."

finally. NVidia has ruled the GPU kingdom exclusively way too long. hope the same goes for AMDs new CPUs as well.

here a direct comparison benchmark 2080Ti-3080-3090, showing 10 GB Vram on the RTX 3080 is hardly enough @ 4k, so wait for cards with minimum 16 GB Vram.

 

7 hours ago, turbomax said:

that video clearly illustrates what Sebastian Wloch/Asobo said in that Twitch session.

no CPU core was ever above 65% load, on average some 30% in total for all cores together. sim was running on i9900K @ 5GHz @ 2560x1440 resolution, graphics @ Ultra settings.

GPU never reached 100% load.

4k resolution might reach 100% GPU load. so I take it a 3080 class GPU running approx. @ 90% of a 3090 RTX, be it NVidia or AMD will still be powerful enough. frame rates will be limited by TV set, you will not see more than 60 Hz, which is more than enough for smooth gameplay.

"Everybody knows, that msfs is heavily main thread limited."

???

 

If you look at HiFlyers video, you see that Core10 is bottlenecking the system. That core assings jobs to other cores. Asobo said that they are moving jobs to other cores, but it must be done carefully.

Edited October 4, 20205 yr by zemez

8 hours ago, HiFlyer said:

 

i checked his channel, he doing 8K gaming tests allready 😁 interessting.

LG have some 8K TV at 65" allready cheap, under 3000€

He is playing around 30-40fps in GTA V at 8K, i would love to see the benchmark at 4K

because i love to play GTA V in VR, it runs great with my 2080ti

but I would not say no for a few more fps 😅

I to will wait until all the cards are on the table before I consider what GPU I will be upgrading too, in the meantime:-

 

2 hours ago, zemez said:

Main thread assings jobs to other threads. So, it is bottlenecking the whole system if that one cant keep up. CPU frametime is always bigger than gpu. 

You'll always need a main thread to keep everything in sync. You can't multi-thread your way out of that.

Nvidia isn't even making these cards from what I can tell. Not a single source of mine has had a single one of these cards since the day they were released. I haven't seen anything for sale online myself either. I don't know what's going on at nvidia but it appears that what few numbers they actually had for sale on day one was it and half or more of those went to youtubers and OEMs. It would be nice to get an update from manufacturers about what's really going on.

Interesting thread, thanks to those who have contributed.  I’m one of the 2080ti owners looking at the 3080 and 3090 going “nvidia charged me WHAT for my 2080ti?”.  However, though the performance increases look quite impressive, as of now I’m quite happy with my performance in MSFS so I’m not rushing off to another expensive upgrade....yet.  It will be interesting once we start getting high fidelity aircraft, lots of AI traffic etc in the sim if my performance stays in my happy zone or if I start feeling the lure to the 3000 series cards...

4 hours ago, zemez said:

If you look at HiFlyers video, you see that Core10 is bottlenecking the system. That core assings jobs to other cores. Asobo said that they are moving jobs to other cores, but it must be done carefully.

you are right, I didn't see those Core10 spikes at 90%, those values were partially covered by the speed tape.

Asobo's Sebastian said they are planning to "spread the thread" even more in future updates. Upgrading from my 1080Ti will be the biggest improvement fps wise, 100% approx.

Looking forward to flying bottlenecked at 60 fps 😉

4 hours ago, Nedo68 said:

i checked his channel, he doing 8K gaming tests allready 😁 interessting.

because i love to play GTA V in VR, it runs great with my 2080ti

perhaps not a bad idea while we wait for Asobo's crash and autopilot fixes.

yes I know somewhat off topic, but while we wait for next Asobo's hotfixes  .... do you have a link for a stable GTA V VR driver for WMR headsets?? I thought RockstarGames hadn't provided a VR implementation for GTA V?

1 hour ago, J0nx said:

Nvidia isn't even making these cards from what I can tell. Not a single source of mine has had a single one of these cards since the day they were released. I haven't seen anything for sale online myself either. I don't know what's going on at nvidia but it appears that what few numbers they actually had for sale on day one was it and half or more of those went to youtubers and OEMs. It would be nice to get an update from manufacturers about what's really going on.

Well they basically said it is primarily a Titan workstation card not a gaming card therefore we only made a few of them ... this was the blog ...

https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/news/rtx-3090-out-september-24/

though they definitely do mention gaming ...

 

Edited October 4, 20205 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

52 minutes ago, regis9 said:

........... as of now I’m quite happy with my performance in MSFS so I’m not rushing off to another expensive upgrade....yet.  It will be interesting once we start getting high fidelity aircraft, lots of AI traffic etc in the sim if my performance stays in my happy zone or if I start feeling the lure to the 3000 series cards...

you are happy with your 2080Ti because you are running "Current System (Running at 1440p)"

As I said before: RTX 3080/3090s are for people running 4K @ Ultra settings, looking for 30-60 fps, or for VR users.

Just now, Glenn Fitzpatrick said:

Well they basically said it is a Titan workstaton card not a gaming card therefore we only made a few of them ... this was the blog ...

https://www.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/news/rtx-3090-out-september-24/

 

I assume they simply can't get enough silicon from Samsung, yield must be really bad. They must be going mad while they have only such a short lead until AMDs relase of RDNA2, and simply can not deliver anything. Must be a horrible situation for NVidia

2 hours ago, turbomax said:

.... do you have a link for a stable GTA V VR driver for WMR headsets?? I thought RockstarGames hadn't provided a VR implementation for GTA V?

you are right its a mod, actually there are two mods out one of them is allready working great, the other one is still in beta but will have the real VR joysticks working (ie: Vive Wands, Valve Index controller ect.)

This is the one i use: https://github.com/LukeRoss00/gta5-real-mod

and this is the other one still in beta: https://grandtheftvr.com/

if you have more question you can ask me PM.

Edited October 4, 20205 yr by Nedo68

Thankfully my order did not complete for the RTX3090.  I am able to run at HIGHER settings (supersample 8x, shadows maxed), no stutters, at 3440x1440 on a lowly RTX 2070 Super w/ its lowly 8Gb of VRAM in the most complex scenery.  I do have to dial back shadow density and have moved the LOD sliders back to 180 at the lowest in some areas and will upgrade to 3070 Super or something along those lines depending on VRAM amount.   I can say this because I fortunately do not need to chase frame rates that seem to be required by many.  And that is only because I find a rock-solid 30 vsync'd to a 30Hz screen to be fabulous.  I mention this again because there may be a few out there who still aren't aware of how this relaxes the sim greatly and for many to most people (I would predict, in a double blinded study) won't have a problem w/ looking at a 30Hz refresh rate, VR and presumably TrackIR folks withstanding, in a flight simulator environment as contrasted with an FPS where mouse latency is an issue.   

2 hours ago, turbomax said:

you are happy with your 2080Ti because you are running "Current System (Running at 1440p)"

As I said before: RTX 3080/3090s are for people running 4K @ Ultra settings, looking for 30-60 fps, or for VR users.

I'm happy with my 2080Ti, and I'm running 4K at Ultra and 30 Hz locked by VSync and hardware refresh rate.  No problems consistently holding 30 fps.

What's missing from the comparisons at present is DX12...when MSFS makes the move from DX11 to DX12, all of a sudden the advantages of a GPU with lots of VRAM will very likely become nontrivial.