1 minute ago, Ricardo41 said:

It took them over 15 years toi deliver a Boeing biz jet....

Think before you write ...🤔

1 minute ago, GSalden said:

Think before you write ...🤔

I guess you have a short memory. 

Message from Jorg Neumann extracted from today's QA session, and I paraphrase: 

(...) We are talking to 3rd. parties everyday about improving our SDK and we are doing that. The thing is: it takes a lot of time to migrate code developed for other platforms and sometimes the tools are different, but it is technically possible to develop complex airliners in MSFS. Look at Working Title and FlyByWire and what they were able to accomplish in so little time. (...)

Fits perfectly to this topic, I guess.

Edited October 28, 20205 yr by GCBraun

You two are very mean to each other to be so similar in hobbies and personality.

2 hours ago, CJ1045 said:

PC owners can get together to form mod teams. You cannot do that on console as they don't accept mods.

CJ

....cough... Farm Simulator on XBOX..cough...  It may be somewhat rare, but consoles or rather console manufacturers and I presume the software devs themselves do accept mods from the community.

BBS has one person working on their Widebody Prologue...  

I pretty much exclusively fly modded airplanes now. I have nothing but accolades for these community modders. They have improved the Sim so much. Hats off to all of you!

There is a thread at the main forum where you can vote for ASOBO to unlock the premium and premium deluxe airplanes for modders!

Spread the word! https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/allow-modders-access-to-premium-and-deluxe-airplane-files/309275

11 hours ago, Ricardo41 said:

The sim is out about 2 months out. Let's revisit this in a year. Working Title has already left Carenado behind, the FlyByWire team is taking a deep bite out of Aerosoft's market, and, I predict, will soon be nipping at the heel of other Airbus developers.

The Aerosoft A320, though it took years of botched and buggy releases to get there, is now a very good representation of the actual jet. The FMGC implementation supports custom way points, database holds, custom bearing lines and range fix rings, and more on top of the standard nav functions. Fuel consumption is reasonably close to book values and the integrated copilot is very well done.

The FBW 320N is nice but it is years away from that depth of simulation. A lot of people on here don't quite realise what a quality product the Aerosoft bus has finally become, and comparisons to freeware are wide of the mark.

9 hours ago, Chock said:

There is a vast difference between fixing and tweaking something which already exists, and making something completely from scratch.

And IMHO that applies significantly to avionics.  WT has provided great and badly needed results by designing mods for improving the woeful default G1000 and G3000.  But long term calls for a ground up designed set of avionics that much more closely mirror those in actual real world use.  This is not just a realism issue for gaming.  It is a critical issue for training.  We have such developers waiting in the wings, wringing hands for a legit SDK.  Lets get their efforts airborne...

 

Edited October 29, 20205 yr by fppilot

9 minutes ago, fppilot said:

And IMHO that applies significantly to avionics.  WT has provided great and badly needed results by designing mods for improving the woeful default G1000 and G3000.  But long term calls for a ground up designed set of avionics that much more closely mirror those in actual real world use.  This is not just a realism issue for gaming.  It is a critical issue for training.  We have such developers waiting in the wings, wringing hands for a legit SDK.  Lets get their efforts airborne...

 

There should be both. Freeware modders can provide an option, and payware modders can produce even higher fidelity models... or the freeware models will suffice!

9 hours ago, Dominique_K said:

But to say that we wouldn't require payware in the future  is a nonsense. I do hope to see these freeware groups shape up in companies and be new competitors on the field of payware aircraft.    That would be an enormous step to consolidate this hobby.

Dominique_K,

I very much see the need for payware, but ONLY to increase the diversification of the aircraft in this sim.  The default aircraft started out as the best default aircraft in the business and some have since been modded to the great benefit of the community. I am also greatly surprised at the number of aircraft being worked on at the moment and again, the winners are the community.  I saw a video this morning which also details a huge number of aircraft currently in development or at least being considered for MSFS and the only major drawback so far is the SDK which gets numerous mentions in all forms of media regarding MSFS.

However, it has to be said that none of the default aircraft, approach the dreaded "study level" standard, required/requested by some, despite the modifications.  That aspect, in itself, is fine and very acceptable 2 months out from release.  I further think that the work devoted to the community by the community has thus far never been equalled in any platform. Freeware has generally, I believe, been accepted as being both excellent and prolific, in the provinces of XPlane, but that took quite a while to take on to achieve that status.   

For many, immersion means or requires very complex and complete systems in any of the aircraft that they choose to fly. In most, if not all, cases it will be payware which fulfils this need and that is not unexpected. 

In the meantime, We have a (largely) GA platform which I think, is pleasing a vast proportion of users, A tube liner system that probably satisfies relatively few and I am WAITING for a Carenado Phenom300 with Navigraph and a GTN750 which may quite possibly be a while coming, but there again, so is Christmas LOL.

Regards

Tony

 

 

1 hour ago, jpe828 said:

or the freeware models will suffice!

Not for the serious among us.  I am still flying most of my serious flights, mostly with some need for iFR, in FSX SE with RXP GPS avionics and complete and updated nav databases.  Example: one of my frequent FBO's is at KUMP.  The Garmin database includes (5) instrument approaches.  All are available in FSX/FSX SE/P3D with RXP gauges.  In MFS 2020 only one VOR approach is in the database.  That cannot be addressed by a mod to the default gauges.  The RXP gauges ride on the Garmin Trainers and thus provide all of the features, the nav data, and accuracy of those features.  MODs have been welcome and much celebrated and appreciated.  But if you have ever had hands on the real thing there is no comparison.  Not a responsibility of the mods.  Instead the responsibility of the defaults, which should give way to 3rd party development of replacement gauges rather than mods of defaults.

 

Edited October 29, 20205 yr by fppilot

Sure, but my point is that some people will be happy with a free, less complete option. You can pay, others will have a middle ground. The vast, vast majority of simmers will not need more than one VOR approach... but serious simmers of course will want the realistic option. 

1 hour ago, fppilot said:

Example: one of my frequent FBO's is at KUMP.  The Garmin database includes (5) instrument approaches.  All are available in FSX/FSX SE/P3D with RXP gauges.  In MFS 2020 only one VOR approach is in the database.  That cannot be addressed by a mod to the default gauges. 

You mean these approaches?

6 hours ago, lambourne said:

A lot of people on here don't quite realise what a quality product the Aerosoft bus has finally become, and comparisons to freeware are wide of the mark.

Let's not forget to mention that the Aersoft airbus falls out of the sky like a locust in Egypt when framerates "drop" to <18

6 hours ago, fppilot said:

 But long term calls for a ground up designed set of avionics that much more closely mirror those in actual real world use.  This is not just a realism issue for gaming.  It is a critical issue for training. 

MSFS is not intended as a "training device". It's a game. No matter how much money people throw at it, it's not going to turn into a "training device".

Edited October 29, 20205 yr by Ricardo41