Issue on the MSFS official forum to upvote - https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/autopilot-behavior-not-linear-using-hdg-or-nav/326978/15

I'm pretty gutted by this to be honest.  Robert's planes are a highlight of the sim right now and this breaks even the already-released Bonanza, which had a very well tuned AP.

1 hour ago, robert young said:

The DA62 makeover is now suspended until further notice. Asobo's "improvement" to the autopilot is a total disaster and has utterly ruined countless hours of careful development. Their autopilot "smoothing" has completely destroyed any possibility of over-riding yet another hard-coded update. ALL the MSFS aircraft now cannot arrive at a selecting heading without taking 10 times longer than they should to get there, because someone at Asobo decided to roll out of a heading-capture turn way too early, resulting in a painfully slow arrival at the desired heading. When I say painful I mean it! Over one minute just to move 5 degrees. Ridiculous!

I ear you Rob, and just sincerely hope you don't give up.... because as good and dynamic they appear to be, they also appear to be rather out of track in many aspects...

1 hour ago, jcomm said:

I ear you Rob, and just sincerely hope you don't give up.... because as good and dynamic they appear to be, they also appear to be rather out of track in many aspects...

This is what "ineptitude" can ensue and what I meant in the live weather thread.

I really do hope Asobo is going to start paying attention to proven developers and their plight. What they do implement is grossly overdone and what they haven’t implemented is staggering. It would behove them to pay attention to the select few who have historically provided stellar simulation.

What Robert has done with the little he has at his disposal is stupendous... and then Asobo breaks stuff that sort of works... gutted we indeed are!

C

11 hours ago, cavaricooper said:

The AP is morphing into a fully capable, reliable work load reducing version- that has no tendency to require seat sucking- in short- completely different from stock.

HAND FLYING THIS BEAUTY IS SPLENDID... here we are, feet above minimums, slipping into CYVR this evening. We are slightly to the right with the wind off the left. Left wing going down to correct, and a little opposite rudder going in... pitch in this aeroplane is fantastic- nothing squirly or unexpected- just precise attitude control... lovely to be in Canada tonight! @Bert Pieke can you see me waving? 🙂

C

 

Did you write this before the patch came out?

I have been noticing the painful heading situation, mainly with the A320.  It takes forever to reach selected heading when on A/P.

Dennis

No Ricardo- it just couldn’t “morph” enough to make it Robert Young worthy. We will have to hope Asobo is reading and PAYING ATTENTION.

C

Not to be crass but I understood this mod to be a makeover of the DA-62, not an AP makeover only.  Does the AP problem ruin the rest of the aircraft modifications that ya'll have spent so much time on?  I'm just not getting why that aspect of the sim would result in a cancellation of this very promising looking project.  During Alpha they completely destroyed the autopilot such that you either flew hands on or you didn't fly.  For me the end result was a period of about 2 or 3 weeks in which I had a much more rewarding experience, quite the opposite of my fear upon realizing what they'd done.  I ended up take the TBM from the east coast of Britain to Tunisia in small increments, typically less than 300 miles jumps of course, and saw parts of Europe I'd never seen in this or any other sim (at least not to the level of visual realism).  Definitely caused me to pay absolute attention during each leg, and to be honest I felt a sense of accomplishment greater than if I'd flown them using the AP.  Do I fly with AP now? Well of course but not nearly as much as before that awful update.  To each his own and of course this is not my hard spent time that's invested in the project but I thought perhaps I'd inject my perspective into the discussion, for whatever its worth. 

 

rna_errors = badgenes

 

6 minutes ago, badgenes said:

Not to be crass but I understood this mod to be a makeover of the DA-62, not an AP makeover only.  Does the AP problem ruin the rest of the aircraft modifications that ya'll have spent so much time on?  I'm just not getting why that aspect of the sim would result in a cancellation of this very promising looking project.  During Alpha they completely destroyed the autopilot such that you either flew hands on or you didn't fly. 

 

I hear what you are saying but in an aircraft like the DA62 the autopilot is quite important. It will of course still hand fly well, but it is not just heading mode that is ruined. Anything connected with ILS capture, tight vectored procedures and approaches, are all compromised. The project is not cancelled but as I said, suspended until or unless there is an autopilot fix coming. I did try for many hours to overcome the update's changes but they are absolutely hard coded and nothing can be done unless Asobo people change their minds. Sorry.

14 minutes ago, robert young said:

nothing can be done unless Asobo people change their minds

Makes me wonder if it is perhaps a roadblock of sorts....

21 minutes ago, badgenes said:

Not to be crass but I understood this mod to be a makeover of the DA-62, not an AP makeover only.  Does the AP problem ruin the rest of the aircraft modifications that ya'll have spent so much time on?  I'm just not getting why that aspect of the sim would result in a cancellation of this very promising looking project.  During Alpha they completely destroyed the autopilot such that you either flew hands on or you didn't fly.  For me the end result was a period of about 2 or 3 weeks in which I had a much more rewarding experience, quite the opposite of my fear upon realizing what they'd done.  I ended up take the TBM from the east coast of Britain to Tunisia in small increments, typically less than 300 miles jumps of course, and saw parts of Europe I'd never seen in this or any other sim (at least not to the level of visual realism).  Definitely caused me to pay absolute attention during each leg, and to be honest I felt a sense of accomplishment greater than if I'd flown them using the AP.  Do I fly with AP now? Well of course but not nearly as much as before that awful update.  To each his own and of course this is not my hard spent time that's invested in the project but I thought perhaps I'd inject my perspective into the discussion, for whatever its worth. 

 

rna_errors = badgenes

 

I hope you don't mind a little sarcasm to make an important point.

The are some who don't mind mediocrity and a select few where only their best is expected. If you do some research on Realair Simulations you'll understand what I mean.

32 minutes ago, robert young said:

I hear what you are saying but in an aircraft like the DA62 the autopilot is quite important. It will of course still hand fly well, but it is not just heading mode that is ruined. Anything connected with ILS capture, tight vectored procedures and approaches, are all compromised. The project is not cancelled but as I said, suspended until or unless there is an autopilot fix coming. I did try for many hours to overcome the update's changes but they are absolutely hard coded and nothing can be done unless Asobo people change their minds. Sorry.

Roger, I misunderstood the project status, that's great to hear.  Totally understand your perspective sir, especially as its your baby 🙂  My intent was to perhaps sneak my way around to the 'glass half full / half empty' didactic which my kids probably got soooo tired of in their youth (like they are geriatric or something lol but you know what I mean).  And TBH I didn't realize that it was so capable or integral a part of this and perhaps other aircraft.  Considering I am a systems guy (architect, engineer, admin you pick they've all been in my titles that didn't include 'director') I am terribly remiss in learning the avionics in GA (and heavy) aircraft.  Now, understanding the AN/APG-73 that the DCS version of the F/A-18C sports is something I've invested time into for instance but for whatever reason I tend to only utilize the simpler capabilities in GA a/c.  Perhaps I should explore the more advanced modes that these a/c avionics have to offer.  

 

Thanks for your work sir, love the Bonanza and hope this issue is resolved soon as the DA-62 was once of my fav in xplane but not so much in MSFS.

 

rna_errors

25 minutes ago, DJJose said:

I hope you don't mind a little sarcasm to make an important point.

The are some who don't mind mediocrity and a select few where only their best is expected. If you do some research on Realair Simulations you'll understand what I mean.

Totally get it.  I just tend to not use much in the way of automation instead capturing flight paths by hand and engaging ap for nav and alt only.  As mentioned above no stranger to advanced avionics though.  I may need to dust off the Internet and dig into the finer aspects of the avionics as modelled.  For instance, despite being in Alpha I've not once flown an ILS landing on AP I'm a bit embarrassed to say.  I'll have to remedy that.

42 minutes ago, fppilot said:

Makes me wonder if it is perhaps a roadblock of sorts....

I am becoming more than a little suspicious of this.  I think they fear losing control of 'their own' sim, and especially the monetization around the add-ons, which can disappear quickly if the free community mods are turning out to be as good as they are.

I can just see the debate now about those in MS/Asobo who wanted to make the sim more open with the likes of the community folder etc, and those saying 'what have we done?  We opened Pandora's box, now we need to close it again without looking too much like we are closing it'. 

As much as they pay lip service to us, and say they really respect their work, they constantly trample all over the work of RY, FBW etc. without any real concern.  Then again, they have done this to Carendo as well it seems. 

This is becoming the biggest issue I think.  They constantly say they are making this sim for 'us', but it feels like hollow words at the moment.  Counting votes in a forum is easy and looks like you are doing a job, but there seems to be very little meaningful interaction now, and even when it is, it gets lost in translation and messed-up - I bet those who asked for changes to the night lighting are now regretting it for example.

What can we do though?  I think not much.  It is up to them to start listening and interacting in more detail really.    

 

21 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

What can we do though? 

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1 hour ago, DJJose said:
f you do some research on Realair Simulations you'll understand what I mean.

 

This what I did yesterday and will do again today...

Edited November 29, 20205 yr by fppilot