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Carenado PA44 mini review

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I'm not a RL pilot, but I cannot seem to get vertical guidance in RNAV approaches in the pa44.  Maybe I'm not doing something correctly, but I don't seem to have the same issue when using G1000 in a different aircraft.  I am also using the GNS530 mod - I couldn't even activate the approach in non modded version.  I haven't been able to find a MSFS2020 video of the PA44 with a RNAV approach.  I'm coming over from XP11 and P3D and apply the same principles for RNAV approaches in MSFS2020. I usually hit the APR button just before I reach the fix where the glide slope starts, but the aircraft never descends and I end up setting the vs to descend until I reach minimums or some before and fly the rest manually.  Thanks for listening!

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I love the smell of Jet-A in the morning!

Robert Pressley a.k.a. SmokeDiddy

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1 hour ago, SmokeDiddy said:

I'm not a RL pilot, but I cannot seem to get vertical guidance in RNAV approaches in the pa44.  Maybe I'm not doing something correctly, but I don't seem to have the same issue when using G1000 in a different aircraft.  I am also using the GNS530 mod - I couldn't even activate the approach in non modded version.  I haven't been able to find a MSFS2020 video of the PA44 with a RNAV approach.  I'm coming over from XP11 and P3D and apply the same principles for RNAV approaches in MSFS2020. I usually hit the APR button just before I reach the fix where the glide slope starts, but the aircraft never descends and I end up setting the vs to descend until I reach minimums or some before and fly the rest manually.  Thanks for listening!

Technically speaking RNAV approaches IRL have to be done with IFR certified GPS with WAAS like GNS430W or GNS530W (if we talk about older generation GPSs). GPS must provide vertical and lateral guidance just like ILS . The difference is RNAV must be activated as GPS source  instead of LOC on GNS. In order to have lateral and vertical guidance CDI or HSI they must be compatible with GNS430/530 and able to slave info. In Carenado version of PA44 it doesn't, in one I flew IRL it did

Life time flight sim enthusiast, current airplane owner 172P (past C182F). FAA CP/IR ASEL/AMEL, FI ASEL

My System: AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D , MSI X870 GAMING PLUS, 64G RAM, ASUS RTX5090, 4T SSD

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7GCAA, 8KCAB, BE24, BE76, BE35-C33, BE35, C150, C152, C172B/N/P/R/SP, 182F, M20E,M20C, M20J, AT6(SNJ4), PA28-140,PA28-151, PA28-161,PA28-181,PA28RT-201,PA28R-180/201T, PA24-250, PA32-300R, PA44, AC114, YAK-18T, YAK-52, SR22

 

4 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

Technically speaking RNAV approaches IRL have to be done with IFR certified GPS with WAAS like GNS430W or GNS530W (if we talk about older generation GPSs). GPS must provide vertical and lateral guidance just like ILS . The difference is RNAV must be activated as GPS source  instead of LOC on GNS. In order to have lateral and vertical guidance CDI or HSI they must be compatible with GNS430/530 and able to slave info. In Carenado version of PA44 it doesn't, in one I flew IRL it did

Thank you for the information.  So, I set-up a flight from KTOC to KGMU to land ILS Rwy 1, I had to use Nav 2 to verify glideslope, all is good until I hit 2 mile final then CTD.  I thought I had that solved, but I guess not...ughhh, it's what makes this sim so frustrating.  Nevertheless @sd_flyer I appreciate your comments.

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I love the smell of Jet-A in the morning!

Robert Pressley a.k.a. SmokeDiddy

9 minutes ago, SmokeDiddy said:

Thank you for the information.  So, I set-up a flight from KTOC to KGMU to land ILS Rwy 1, I had to use Nav 2 to verify glideslope, all is good until I hit 2 mile final then CTD.  I thought I had that solved, but I guess not...ughhh, it's what makes this sim so frustrating.  Nevertheless @sd_flyer I appreciate your comments.

I turned off live traffic and haven’t had a CTD again. Knock on wood.

28 minutes ago, Azapata87 said:

I turned off live traffic and haven’t had a CTD again. Knock on wood.

Thanks!  I'll give that a shot.  I did update my video driver the other day along with disabling and deleting the Rolling Cache and this is the first CTD I've had since.

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I love the smell of Jet-A in the morning!

Robert Pressley a.k.a. SmokeDiddy

I couldn't help myself over the Xmas break, and plunged once more into the breach..

For those on FB as that seems @Carenado's preferred method of communication- has there been any word re. the long overdue fixes to the Seminole?  Currently flying her from Brisbane to Sydney and she's not bad- but the glaring inoperatives are a definite detractant.

Ta- C

Best-

Carl Avari-Cooper

Stopped in at Coff’s Harbour for fuel and coffee. About 20 minutes into the next stage I experienced my first MSFS CTD... nothing in Problem Reports... just flying along in cruise and then desktop.

Best-

Carl Avari-Cooper

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10 minutes ago, cavaricooper said:

Stopped in at Coff’s Harbour for fuel and coffee. About 20 minutes into the next stage I experienced my first MSFS CTD... nothing in Problem Reports... just flying along in cruise and then desktop.

I had CTD before the last patch and late Carenado fixes. But given Carenado reluctance to fix things in timely manner I wouldn't be surprised that could be more CTD under certain circumstances. I normally restart sim (and PC) after each flight otherwise my live weather don't work. So I have been lucky so far

Life time flight sim enthusiast, current airplane owner 172P (past C182F). FAA CP/IR ASEL/AMEL, FI ASEL

My System: AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D , MSI X870 GAMING PLUS, 64G RAM, ASUS RTX5090, 4T SSD

Put my hands on (pic/dual/given)

7GCAA, 8KCAB, BE24, BE76, BE35-C33, BE35, C150, C152, C172B/N/P/R/SP, 182F, M20E,M20C, M20J, AT6(SNJ4), PA28-140,PA28-151, PA28-161,PA28-181,PA28RT-201,PA28R-180/201T, PA24-250, PA32-300R, PA44, AC114, YAK-18T, YAK-52, SR22

 

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On 1/3/2021 at 11:03 AM, cavaricooper said:

Stopped in at Coff’s Harbour for fuel and coffee. About 20 minutes into the next stage I experienced my first MSFS CTD... nothing in Problem Reports... just flying along in cruise and then desktop.

I had two CTD's right after the 12/22 update in the Seminole, but none since.  I can't attribute them to anything I was doing.  Like you just flying along and...boom.

I was using the Autopilot to follow an approach, but I wasn't actively doing anything, plane just flying along and boom.  Same thing second time.  The third time I flew a slightly different route, and haven't crashed since.

Tom Perry

 

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OK after yesterday update HSI stop working completely. No words can describe my frustration. HSI was not working correctly before  now HSI is completely broken I can't change course. Heading bug moving on it's own! offensive initials not allowed? This after months of waiting, patch after patch that  fix for penny and screw up for a buck!

 My ultimate review Carenado is company of losers who constantly screwed up their own stuff over and over, can't even fix fundamental stuff. They never responds to any of the bug I ever submitted. I'm think I'm done with them for good. So conclude my mini review with do not buy from Carenado. Safe your money for other developers like A2A, ATS simulation...

Life time flight sim enthusiast, current airplane owner 172P (past C182F). FAA CP/IR ASEL/AMEL, FI ASEL

My System: AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D , MSI X870 GAMING PLUS, 64G RAM, ASUS RTX5090, 4T SSD

Put my hands on (pic/dual/given)

7GCAA, 8KCAB, BE24, BE76, BE35-C33, BE35, C150, C152, C172B/N/P/R/SP, 182F, M20E,M20C, M20J, AT6(SNJ4), PA28-140,PA28-151, PA28-161,PA28-181,PA28RT-201,PA28R-180/201T, PA24-250, PA32-300R, PA44, AC114, YAK-18T, YAK-52, SR22

 

28 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

OK after yesterday update HSI stop working completely. No words can describe my frustration. HSI was not working correctly before  now HSI is completely broken I can't change course. Heading bug moving on it's own! offensive initials not allowed? This after months of waiting, patch after patch that  fix for penny and screw up for a buck!

 My ultimate review Carenado is company of losers who constantly screwed up their own stuff over and over, can't even fix fundamental stuff. They never responds to any of the bug I ever submitted. I'm think I'm done with them for good. So conclude my mini review with do not buy from Carenado. Safe your money for other developers like A2A, ATS simulation...

I cannot confirm but another user have resolved by removing the airplane from content manager, then deleting the folder from the MFS directory and reinstalling the whole package....

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2 hours ago, P_R_S said:

I cannot confirm but another user have resolved by removing the airplane from content manager, then deleting the folder from the MFS directory and reinstalling the whole package....

Unfortunately I already did it. Except I didn't physically delete PA44 inside the folder, only in content manager

Life time flight sim enthusiast, current airplane owner 172P (past C182F). FAA CP/IR ASEL/AMEL, FI ASEL

My System: AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D , MSI X870 GAMING PLUS, 64G RAM, ASUS RTX5090, 4T SSD

Put my hands on (pic/dual/given)

7GCAA, 8KCAB, BE24, BE76, BE35-C33, BE35, C150, C152, C172B/N/P/R/SP, 182F, M20E,M20C, M20J, AT6(SNJ4), PA28-140,PA28-151, PA28-161,PA28-181,PA28RT-201,PA28R-180/201T, PA24-250, PA32-300R, PA44, AC114, YAK-18T, YAK-52, SR22

 

2 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

OK after yesterday update HSI stop working completely. No words can describe my frustration. HSI was not working correctly before  now HSI is completely broken I can't change course. Heading bug moving on it's own! offensive initials not allowed? This after months of waiting, patch after patch that  fix for penny and screw up for a buck!

 My ultimate review Carenado is company of losers who constantly screwed up their own stuff over and over, can't even fix fundamental stuff. They never responds to any of the bug I ever submitted. I'm think I'm done with them for good. So conclude my mini review with do not buy from Carenado. Safe your money for other developers like A2A, ATS simulation...

I could have told you that years ago!😄  A shame that this seems to be the norm.  I also bought the aircraft....it was the first Carenado I bought in a very long time but I only got it because I thought this might be the Alabeo version (could be I guess) as I owned that in P3D and enjoyed it.  I started having CTD's with this aircraft immediately and were the first and only CTD's I have ever had in MSFS going back to Alpha 1.  I haven't really touched it in a few weeks but hope they can iron out these issues....oh and no CTD's since then.

Eric

i9-12900k, RTX 5070ti OC, 32GB ddr5 5600 RAM, 2TB 980 Pro SSD, Titan 240RX AIO, Samsung CRG90 49", Win 11

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3 hours ago, P_R_S said:

I cannot confirm but another user have resolved by removing the airplane from content manager, then deleting the folder from the MFS directory and reinstalling the whole package....

Update. I deleted PA44 one more time in content manager. Then after exiting MSFS I deleted Seminole folder again physically in official/one store. I reinstalled it and HSI works. However, it doesn't register VLOC vs GPS just work by default as  VLOC would be on all the time. It cheered me up a bit but still why doesn't it happens. Was it a bad build that doesn't overwrite certain files ? I can only guess, but it's very frustrating 

Life time flight sim enthusiast, current airplane owner 172P (past C182F). FAA CP/IR ASEL/AMEL, FI ASEL

My System: AMD Ryzen 9 9950X3D , MSI X870 GAMING PLUS, 64G RAM, ASUS RTX5090, 4T SSD

Put my hands on (pic/dual/given)

7GCAA, 8KCAB, BE24, BE76, BE35-C33, BE35, C150, C152, C172B/N/P/R/SP, 182F, M20E,M20C, M20J, AT6(SNJ4), PA28-140,PA28-151, PA28-161,PA28-181,PA28RT-201,PA28R-180/201T, PA24-250, PA32-300R, PA44, AC114, YAK-18T, YAK-52, SR22

 

55 minutes ago, sd_flyer said:

Update. I deleted PA44 one more time in content manager. Then after exiting MSFS I deleted Seminole folder again physically in official/one store. I reinstalled it and HSI works. However, it doesn't register VLOC vs GPS just work by default as  VLOC would be on all the time. It cheered me up a bit but still why doesn't it happens. Was it a bad build that doesn't overwrite certain files ? I can only guess, but it's very frustrating 

😞 indeed...

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