1 hour ago, bobcat999 said:

Yes I think you are right CB, I would expect the same.  It is just that a few internet tech commentators are thinking that Nvidia, scared of losing their crown to AMD, and being told ray-tracing speed still isn't quite there yet, may pull out all the stops and try to get 40xx out late this year to get the jump on AMD. 

But 1. I am not sure if they can do it that early from a technical and manufacturing perspective, and 2. we haven't seen the full development of the 30xx series yet, never mind the return on investment for Nvidia (although if they are selling every one they can produce, I suppose they must be fairly happy).

Right now it's a battle of whichever GPU will be on store shelves, and since NVIDIA have Samsung 10nm all on their own, I think they will win in the end. It's true that they are spooked by the competition and are attempting SKU spam right now, though Ampere can take on RDNA 2, and there is room for improvement with better yields and 16Gb GDDR6X modules. They might be saving those for the Super refresh, though it might come earlier if the RTX 3080 Ti is cancelled indeed.

But they will need an answer for RDNA 3, especially if it's an MCM architecture, and Lovelace is looking to be a 5nm Ampere 2.0 of some sorts, but the 144 SMs leak sounds promising. We just have to hope it's on a good node. Samsung 5nm is looking somewhat disappointing now that we have performance and efficiency reports of the Snapdragon 888, but we'll have to wait for the Exynos 2100 to make sure. And it's a good thing that now, because of Ampere, they have more experience designing and manufacturing complex HPC chips, which could help them be more competitive with TSMC in the future.

Edited January 12, 20215 yr by ChaoticBeauty

The question put is how well does a RTX 3090 run MSFS, the answer I have found is very well indeed. On ultra settings the views can be spectacular. FPS, well that depends where you are flying, city or countryside, heavy clouds or no clouds and which type of aircraft you are using. I paid £1600+ pounds for a Gigabyte 3090 Turbo blower type GPU (70c is the highest temperature I have seen, Turbo's are supposed to run hot, this one doesnt), eyewatering price to say the least! Matched with a i9 10850k cpu and a 2tb nvme ssd card in the M2 slot MSFS runs well.

Is it worth the cost, that is up to every individual.🙂

Is anyone noticing marginal improvements they can correlate to VRAM or RAM *speed(s)*? Not just total amount of RAM but how fast it is? Really curious....

15 minutes ago, Flyfaster_MTN002 said:

Is anyone noticing marginal improvements they can correlate to VRAM or RAM *speed(s)*? Not just total amount of RAM but how fast it is? Really curious....

The general consensus if System RAM speed mainly effects AMD processors as slow RAM will throttle them. Faster system RAM has less benefit with Intel as they handle RAM differently.

I have OC the VRAM on my 3070 on the theory that it may reduce stutter if I run out of RAM but have not tested to see if it actually works.  I suppose one way to test it would be to underclock your GPU ram and see if it makes a difference.

 

7 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

the Nvidia RTX4000 series may be with us. 

Figure 2022, these seemed to be released every 2 years now.

44 minutes ago, Brandon01110 said:

Figure 2022, these seemed to be released every 2 years now.

 

yep, there will be a whole series of Super and TI variants with more VRAM and slightly better specs and probably a non-TI version of the 3060, potentially as a 6GB card. Then there will be more commercial cards including potentially a revamp of the $20,000 datacentre Ampere A100 Tesla. Potentially even a new series of non-RT "GTX" cards at bargain bin prices to replace the 1650/1660s (maybe a 8GB 1670 ? though that seems unlikely ).

Only then will the Ampere replacements be on the cards.

Edited January 12, 20215 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

Availability for RTX cards was certainly a reason I opted for the Alienware R11.  Microcenter had by far the best price and specs, and DELL has there own

3090.  There were zero 3080s available as stand alones, and the rest of the system met my specs to a T.  Plus I felt it was good DX-12 future proofing as

VRAM will be a commodity when that arrives.  Coupled with the 10900KF and the HP G2, It has been wonderful.  On my old machine, I couldn't get near NY City, Orlando, San Fran.... etc.  When I priced the individual components, I couldn't have built this rig for much less, and that's assuming I could find the parts I was looking for these days.

5 minutes ago, bszuch said:

Availability for RTX cards was certainly a reason I opted for the Alienware R11.  Microcenter had by far the best price and specs, and DELL has there own

3090.  There were zero 3080s available as stand alones, and the rest of the system met my specs to a T.  Plus I felt it was good DX-12 future proofing as

VRAM will be a commodity when that arrives.  Coupled with the 10900KF and the HP G2, It has been wonderful.  On my old machine, I couldn't get near NY City, Orlando, San Fran.... etc.  When I priced the individual components, I couldn't have built this rig for much less, and that's assuming I could find the parts I was looking for these days.

Ditto. Which did you get and what price? Have a link? Thanks!

The Intel 11900K was announced yesterday .

i think once we get cpu's that support pcie 4 it will be better

37 minutes ago, ashepherd316 said:

i think once we get cpu's that support pcie 4 it will be better

We've had CPUs with PCIe 4.0 lanes since July 2019, and it really doesn't make it better. GPUs are yet to saturate a PCIe 3.0 x16 bus even.

1 hour ago, ChaoticBeauty said:

We've had CPUs with PCIe 4.0 lanes since July 2019, and it really doesn't make it better. GPUs are yet to saturate a PCIe 3.0 x16 bus even.

The occasional superfast NVME SSD might but even then only just.

NVidia themselves have said to choose the best CPU regardless of PCIe 3.0 or 4.0 as any benefits from PCIe 4.0 are minimal (and likely will only be seen if you run out of VRAM anyway) .

Edited January 13, 20215 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

I upgraded from 7700K / 1080 Ti to 10850K / 3090 and I had a 20% improvement in framerate at 1440p (plus less stutters).

Other games (RDR2, CP2077, BFV) that are already DX12 had a +100% boost instead. I am glad to have upgraded for these games, but for MSFS alone it wouldn't be really worth it.

Hopefully MSFS will benefit of DX12 soon and we won't have to continue chasing single thread performance and overclock.

On 1/13/2021 at 12:44 AM, ChaoticBeauty said:

We've had CPUs with PCIe 4.0 lanes since July 2019, and it really doesn't make it better. GPUs are yet to saturate a PCIe 3.0 x16 bus even.

i didn't think intel had made a cpu that works with pcie4 only 3

29 minutes ago, ashepherd316 said:

i didn't think intel had made a cpu that works with pcie4 only 3

Intel will do so with the Rocket Lake-S platform in March 2021. But AMD have been supporting PCIe 4.0 since July 2019, with Zen 2 and X570.