I realize this thread is drifting off course, but train, bus and truck simulator are pretty cool in their own right. I don’t have any of these simulators, but aspects of each of these sims are really neat and realistic in their own way from the videos I have watched. Just not enough time to slide into another sim hobby.

9 hours ago, Chock said:

 In case you were unaware of this, the US Government does indeed make and publish its own first person shooter combat game for PC and XBox, You can download it from here.

And - as someone else noted - with regard to Aerosoft customers buying things such as OMSI and Euro and American Truck Simulator; what's wrong with that anyway?

 

 

I've played America's Army for many years. Never thought it was a particularly good shooter, but it was a free download.

I enjoy OMSI and Eurotruck Simulator, but nobody is going to confuse those games for the real Thing. In a similar vein, looking for accuracy down to the tiniest Details in Aerosoft's addons is a fool's errand.

14 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

I've played America's Army for many years. Never thought it was a particularly good shooter, but it was a free download.

That was kind of the point of me mentioning all that. You can have a 'good shooter', or you can have a 'realistic simulation', but  America's Army was attempting to do both to some extent which is a tricky task for sure; one is often more fun than the other, and it isn't always realism which makes things fun.

On 12/14/2020 at 7:24 AM, WestAir said:

To be fair, modeling the CRJ system fidelity is tough. One system affects all the others and external variables change everything in-between. Throw in that no two air-frames run the same and you can see why a sim will always just be a rough imitation.

The interaction between systems holds true for nearly every aircraft. And the fleet that I have flown or jumpseated on so far has been pretty standardized. The major differences between airframes in the CRJ700/900 series come from FMS software versions, and some pretty major customer options like single FMS installations instead of dual, AHRS only instead of IRS, HUGS installation, those kind of things. But things like EICAS message priority order should not deviate all that much (if at all) and has never been correct on the AS CRJ as far as I have seen. Neither has the flight model. So at that point, you are not really flying a rough imitation, but eye candy only. 

There is a difference between "don't expect a perfect simulation because price is relatively low" and "gloss over some glaring inaccuracies or even errors because price is relatively low". The Aerosoft/DA CRJ has fallen on the wrong side of that for basically all its years of development in previous sims IMHO. And as I mentioned, just from some of the screenshots I see again some basic inaccuracies carried over from the older addons.

35 minutes ago, Prpn said:

The interaction between systems holds true for nearly every aircraft.

Just imagine how critical you could be in evaluating Asobo’s default airliners. We should feel comfort knowing you know so much more about the CRJ than DA and Aerosoft. Of course one must balance the sim price of 50 Euros vs $43 Million and the devs  investment of several hundred thousand dollars for additional new team members.

Fortunately, I am looking for entertainment and enjoyment in a sim, rather than perfection and consistency across a hundred Operators and 4 models.

it appears that your quotes are from you and not from Aerosoft

This post tells a very different story:

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2) We have already spend months and months on this project and almost all code is new. All modeling will be new, flightmodels are totally new etc. So you should expect this to be a full price product without any serious discounts for P3D owners.

3) Not sure... some things we now use are at this moment simply not supported by the sim. How this develops over the coming weeks.... we hope for the best. It will NOT be a dumbed down product to get something on the market, that is not our style, we never done that.

Regards,

Ray

Now this is what one can expect for documentation with a top of the line developer. Vol 1 is available for downloading at the Dev’s forum, Vol 2 is in work.

10 minutes ago, raymar said:

Now this is what one can expect for documentation with a top of the line developer. Vol 1 is available for downloading at the Dev’s forum, Vol 2 is in work.

I mean it's just a rehash of the manual for the P3D CRJ. Not that exciting... 

17 minutes ago, Chapstick said:

I mean it's just a rehash of the manual for the P3D CRJ. Not that exciting... 

It is if you don’t own the P3D version.

47 minutes ago, Gilandred said:

It is if you don’t own the P3D version.

I suppose that's true but I don't see how including documentation for a product makes Aerosoft a "top of the line developer," per the poster. 

 

1 hour ago, Chapstick said:

I mean it's just a rehash of the manual for the P3D CRJ. Not that exciting... 

Not really. Totally different Vol 1 with lots of added pages for beginners and  new and specific info for MSFS.

47 minutes ago, Chapstick said:

I suppose that's true but I don't see how including documentation for a product makes Aerosoft a "top of the line developer," per the poster. 

 

I do. I have written product reviews for 8 years here at Avsim and I can count on two fingers the Devs that consistently includes sufficient documentation. Many failed to receive the Avsim Gold Star for that reason alone.

On 12/15/2020 at 3:33 PM, raymar said:

Just imagine how critical you could be in evaluating Asobo’s default airliners. We should feel comfort knowing you know so much more about the CRJ than DA and Aerosoft. Of course one must balance the sim price of 50 Euros vs $43 Million and the devs  investment of several hundred thousand dollars for additional new team members.

Fortunately, I am looking for entertainment and enjoyment in a sim, rather than perfection and consistency across a hundred Operators and 4 models.

Hey, to each their own. You are happy flying something that looks like a CRJ but does not function or perform like a CRJ, I am not 🙂 .

Also, not sure what you are getting on about with the quotes stuff... I was pointing to some of the posters here that seem to wave away any criticism with 'but the price is lower than PMDG/FSL so it's OK'. That's a slippery slope.

10 minutes ago, Prpn said:

I was pointing to some of the posters here that seem to wave away any criticism with 'but the price is lower than PMDG/FSL so it's OK'. That's a slippery slope.

As that poster you actually missed my initial point, but your response perfectly rebutted it anyway, and got a like from me. 😉

Edited December 16, 20205 yr by WestAir

OK. Back to the heading of the post.  Here are some new images by Alexander that Mathijs posted over on the Aerosoft forum.  These Images are very large so I downsized them (50%) for this post for faster loading. Jump over to the home forum for the full sized images.  Looking good, just ignore the naysayers above, this CRJ will most likely prove to be a trend setter for MSFS.  It is hard for me to imagine the DA/Aerosoft team working on this for almost a year 7 days a week recently and it will hit the market for $50.  For those that have not kept up with the progress, this a total new from scratch model.  Mathijs says almost nothing was recycled from the X-Plane version.

This might be the first aircraft I buy for the sim.