16 hours ago, skipph said:

"I had been down this path many times with varying results based on placebo effect sometimes but I had recently discovered that my monitor, which is a Samsung 4K desktop monitor had 3 outputs on the back. One was Display port, One was HDMI 60 and the other was HDMI 30."

Your monitor has a Display port, why not use it? 

See this article:  https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/hdmi-vs-displayport-which-should-i-use-for-my-pc-monitor

6 minutes ago, HeKa48 said:

Your monitor has a Display port, why not use it? 

See this article:  https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/hdmi-vs-displayport-which-should-i-use-for-my-pc-monitor

Yes, if this is the same Samsung 4k as mine, I am using display port and it works fine.  Should do up to 60 fps at 4k I believe.  I am happy at 4k and a smooth 30 fps.

I had trouble with various HDMI cables.  Seems like the standards vary too much, or they did at the time.  The cable manufacturers seem to have got on top of it now.

1 hour ago, MrFuzzy said:

Question for you: what's faster between a Lamborghini and a Ford Fiesta, both limited at 30 km/h?

Neither, but the Lambo gets you there in 25% of the time needed by the fiesta

42 minutes ago, bobcat999 said:

Yes, if this is the same Samsung 4k as mine, I am using display port and it works fine.  Should do up to 60 fps at 4k I believe.  I am happy at 4k and a smooth 30 fps.

I had trouble with various HDMI cables.  Seems like the standards vary too much, or they did at the time.  The cable manufacturers seem to have got on top of it now.

Not so much vary as were continually improved. 

HDMI 1.0 was only 1920 x 1080 at 60hz  that was it, nothing faster or higher res was supported.

HDMI 1.3 just 6 years later added more colour depth and doubled that to 1920 x 1080 at 120 hz and also supported 1440p but only at 60hz . HDMI 2.0 supported 4K but only at 60 hz whereas HDMI 2.1 supports up to 8K at 120 hz. 

Problem is the standards used by the GPUs and monitors may have been the 'new improved version' but often shops were selling old stock of  cables made to the old standard. Short cables made to the the older standards would often, but not always, work at the higher bandwidth needed for the new standards but longish cables (like 5 metre plus) were likely to cause issues.

Edited December 13, 20205 yr by Glenn Fitzpatrick

I really appreciate the comments and the open dialogue that is this hobby. I will go into the individual comments in a future post. Pressed for time at the moment, but just let me add this. I did let the 3090 go on it's own and it would do 40 to 50 to whatever fps, Boston, Seattle and NY City mostly and I could go up and down the settings and add or subtract settings to gain more fps or create more studders and pauses.. But , and I think this is the key, putting the in game setting to 60fps on a 30 hz monitor and just going to the top of the settings menu and hit ultra for the category. So the game is running at 60 fps. Which is evident in the smoothness of the sim and the Ultra settings in a solid 60 fps is just as we like to say, jaw dropping. I know, the monitor is on 30 fps refresh, but from here I have nothing more to add as to why this works, but it does in my setup. The 3090 has so much more horsepower than my 1080TI but it looks like it needs some sort "harness" to make it behave in the manner you want. Limiting the fps in vsync takes what would be a 98% GPU load and turns it into a 56% load that just smooths out the whole operation. I will put up CPU loads as well. Thanks, Skip

1 minute ago, skipph said:

putting the in game setting to 60fps on a 30 hz monitor and just going to the top of the settings menu and hit ultra for the category. So the game is running at 60 fps.

No, it’s running at 30fps. You can’t get more than 30fps at 30hz. Just like at 60hz you can’t get more than 60fps. 

But if you put the vsync to 30 fps  in game you will get 15 fps in game on the dev readout on a 30 mhz  monitor setting. and then a slide show. I think we have to ask Asobo as to what we are dialing up with these in game settings. To be honest, I do not have a clue as to what the settings mean, but I can only report what my eyes are telling me.

6 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

Yes, if this is the same Samsung 4k as mine, I am using display port and it works fine.  Should do up to 60 fps at 4k I believe.  I am happy at 4k and a smooth 30 fps.

I had trouble with various HDMI cables.  Seems like the standards vary too much, or they did at the time.  The cable manufacturers seem to have got on top of it now.

I do not know if it is the same monitor, but after owning this monitor for over 2 years, I finally pulled up the specs and found out, yes there is a HDMI 30, HDMI 60 and a Display Port that is not the latest specs, as as I say, it is over 2 years old. I have tried all 3 outlets and the HDMI 30 refresh has yielded the best results. When I used the 60 refresh or the Display port, the card was on it's own to run as it saw fit and I was turning settings down and up to get it to run the most efficiently as the card could handle. 

   Yes, cables do matter. So, I made sure to have quality cables. But still, problems persisted with the stutters and pauses . Yes, I am running at 4K and a lot of the AA issues go away at 4K resolution, so a 4K monitor is the way to go I am convinced. But understanding the outputs on the back of the monitor was essential to my finding my way to this result. Skip

1 hour ago, skipph said:

I really appreciate the comments and the open dialogue that is this hobby. I will go into the individual comments in a future post. Pressed for time at the moment, but just let me add this. I did let the 3090 go on it's own and it would do 40 to 50 to whatever fps, Boston, Seattle and NY City mostly and I could go up and down the settings and add or subtract settings to gain more fps or create more studders and pauses.. But , and I think this is the key, putting the in game setting to 60fps on a 30 hz monitor and just going to the top of the settings menu and hit ultra for the category. So the game is running at 60 fps. Which is evident in the smoothness of the sim and the Ultra settings in a solid 60 fps is just as we like to say, jaw dropping. I know, the monitor is on 30 fps refresh, but from here I have nothing more to add as to why this works, but it does in my setup. The 3090 has so much more horsepower than my 1080TI but it looks like it needs some sort "harness" to make it behave in the manner you want. Limiting the fps in vsync takes what would be a 98% GPU load and turns it into a 56% load that just smooths out the whole operation. I will put up CPU loads as well. Thanks, Skip

The reason it’s now at a 56% load is because you’re limiting it to 30FPS. There’s nothing wrong with this, but it really is like putting an artificial speed limit of 30MPH on your Ferrari. It will drive that speed smoothly all day long, but you’re not getting the most out of your investment.

For everyone else, please understand that you can achieve this with a much cheaper GPU. You don’t need the bleeding edge halo product... a 3080, maybe a 3070, or certainly a 2080TI could do this. 

Edited December 13, 20205 yr by Virtual-Chris

23 hours ago, Virtual-Chris said:

I guess the question is, if the 3090 is not being fully utilized, why have it? Maybe a 3080 for about half the price is a better solution?

I had a 2080Ti that ran the sim on Ultra at 4K around 30-40FPS. So it would seem a 3090 is overkill if you’re looking for a solid 30FPS experience. There are rumours of a 3080 with 20GB arriving in Jan for a better price than the 3090 as well.

Personally, I’m on a quest for 60FPS on Ultra at 4K with my 3090 and it’s going to require a new Ryzen CPU to get there as my current CPU (9900K) is the key limiting factor holding me around 50FPS. Which is plenty good until Photogrametry kicks in and frame rates drop down to 30FPS (main thread limited). 

Bottom line is I think the 3090 only really makes sense where money is no object and you’re chasing the best FPS possible. 

Until DX12 comes for MSFS and users find they run out of VRAM quick at 8GB with add-on AP's...!!!

 

Users already maxing at 8GB in DX11 with the new FLY Tampa Vegas scenery!

20 minutes ago, Virtual-Chris said:

The reason it’s now at a 56% load is because you’re limiting it to 30FPS. There’s nothing wrong with this, but it really is like putting an artificial speed limit of 30MPH on your Ferrari. It will drive that speed smoothly all day long, but you’re not getting the most out of your investment.

For everyone else, please understand that you can achieve this with a much cheaper GPU. You don’t need the bleeding edge halo product... a 3070 or a 2080TI or even lesser cards like a 2070 Super could do this. 

I totally agree with this statement. The newer cards, 2080 and up, if properly managed, can certainly achieve great results if "harnessed" properly. So if 30 mph on a Ferrari in a 30 mph zone Can run 30mph for a longer and more consistent time with all accessories running at full output and the air is on and the stereo is full blast and engine is happy and can go forever, and looking out the windshield gives you the best possible experience visually, I think you are there. Why would you want to go faster if it meant going into a tree?

Edited December 13, 20205 yr by skipph

18 minutes ago, Kilo60 said:

Until DX12 comes for MSFS and users find they run out of VRAM quick at 8GB with add-on AP's...!!!

 

Users already maxing at 8GB in DX11 with the new FLY Tampa Vegas scenery!

Which is why I opted for the 3090 vs 3080. Just not enough GPU memory which is all I heard from everyone that had a 1080TI and up. GPU memory was going to be huge in the next gen cards and then the 3080 shows up with 10gb.

10 hours ago, Virtual-Chris said:

II don’t believe running your GPU at 100% to get max performance out of it causes stutters. At least in my case, it hasn’t.  I’ve never witnessed stutters in MSFS (fortunately) and that’s how I have run my GPUs (both the 2080Ti I had previously and the 3090 I have now)... both running flat-out with no FPS cap. 

If I run my 2080TI flat out I get smooth 50-60 fps performance as long as I stay away from busy airports, but if I cap my fps to 30 I get consistent performance even at busy airports where I otherwise get terribly stuttering if I run it unlocked, why it makes such a dramatic difference with locking frames to 30 I have no idea.

Edited December 13, 20205 yr by Ixoye

I think G-Sync helps tremendously even with mid to high range GPUs. Especially when using TrackIR. There's no point in looking at FPS because it's smooth regardless. 

Also upgrading my CPU to an R9 5900X helped a lot in urban areas. Now my RTX 3070 will run at 99% utilization almost anywhere thanks to no CPU bottleneck. 

R9 5900X / RTX 3070 / 64 GB ram / 3440x1440 60 Hz G-Sync / TrackIR

1 hour ago, skipph said:

Why would you want to go faster if it meant going into a tree?

Because if handled properly, the car can achieve way higher speeds. That’s the whole thrill of the thing, and many would argue the whole point. Imagine a Ferrari owner driving at 30mph all the time?! What would be the point.... I myself own a performance car, and if someone told me I had to drive at 30mph all the time, I’d just get rid and get any old car.