3 hours ago, michaelray said:

I also lock my monitor at 30hz (3440 x 1440) and performance is good in MSFS at ultra settings. Very smooth apart from the occasional pauses that still plague the sim. I feel these have gotten worse with recent updates. Flying in MSFS at night on ultra settings in dense city areas still pushes the card up to 75 - 80%. So I am not convinced the 3090 is an overkill.

This makes no sense to me. A 3090 offers a 15% boost in performance over a 3080 for double the money. If you’re running a 3090 at 75-80% (or less) you have money invested in a card you’re not using. You could have bought a 3080 for a lot less and still had 5-10% headroom. 

It is like putting a Ferrari engine in your pick up truck and putting a speed limiter on it at 30Mph. That speed can be had with a much less expensive engine. 

Edited December 13, 20205 yr by Virtual-Chris

4 minutes ago, Virtual-Chris said:

This makes no sense to me. A 3090 offers a 15% boost in performance over a 3080 for double the money. If you’re running a 3090 at 75-80% (or less) you have money invested in a card you’re not using. You could have bought a 3080 for a lot less and still had 5-10% headroom. 

It is like putting a Ferrari engine in your pick up truck and putting a speed limiter on it at 30Mph. That speed can be had with a much less expensive engine. 

Look I don’t know what you problem is. I can see from the testing that I have done that the 3090 makes sense in both MSFS and P3D. You keep telling everyone what they should do like you are some amazing guru.
 

You need to get over it and respect that some people want the 3090 for a multitude of reasons.
 

Maybe you simply have 3090 envy?

2 hours ago, Virtual-Chris said:

This makes no sense to me. A 3090 offers a 15% boost in performance over a 3080 for double the money. If you’re running a 3090 at 75-80% (or less) you have money invested in a card you’re not using. You could have bought a 3080 for a lot less and still had 5-10% headroom. 

It is like putting a Ferrari engine in your pick up truck and putting a speed limiter on it at 30Mph. That speed can be had with a much less expensive engine. 

Wait until DX12 shows up and people are howling at the moon about running out of VRAM.  To use your analogy, the 3080 is like putting a Ferrari engine in a pickup truck with a 10 gallon gas tank.

As far as performance goes, headroom is the key...if you hit the GPU's limit, even sporadically, under heavy loads, that begets stutters.  If you're running at 50-60% with intermittent peaks in the 90s, the 3090's extra performance is the difference between smooth and...not smooth.

4 hours ago, w6kd said:

Wait until DX12 shows up and people are howling at the moon about running out of VRAM.  To use your analogy, the 3080 is like putting a Ferrari engine in a pickup truck with a 10 gallon gas tank.

As far as performance goes, headroom is the key...if you hit the GPU's limit, even sporadically, under heavy loads, that begets stutters.  If you're running at 50-60% with intermittent peaks in the 90s, the 3090's extra performance is the difference between smooth and...not smooth.

I agree that VRAM is important, it will be interesting to see how Asobo deals with this, since the new Xbox has 16GB of memory... total... for code execution and VRAM. At any rate, I’m already seeing 10GB of VRAM usage regularly. 

I don’t believe running your GPU at 100% to get max performance out of it causes stutters. At least in my case, it hasn’t.  I’ve never witnessed stutters in MSFS (fortunately) and that’s how I have run my GPUs (both the 2080Ti I had previously and the 3090 I have now)... both running flat-out with no FPS cap. 

Edited December 13, 20205 yr by Virtual-Chris

6 hours ago, michaelray said:

Look I don’t know what you problem is. I can see from the testing that I have done that the 3090 makes sense in both MSFS and P3D. You keep telling everyone what they should do like you are some amazing guru.
 

You need to get over it and respect that some people want the 3090 for a multitude of reasons.
 

Maybe you simply have 3090 envy?

Sorry... I guess I came across as insulting. Of course, you can all do what you want, and it’s none of my business.

I’m just concerned about average readers coming away from this and the other thread thinking they need to buy a $1500USD GPU and run it at 75% to get a 30FPS experience. You can get that experience for a lot less. Now there may be other reasons to buy that GPU as you say, but that’s not the main take away from the OPs post. 

Edited December 13, 20205 yr by Virtual-Chris

This is an interesting post for me, as I am looking to upgrade from a similar, if not identical situation.  I have the 1080Ti and, it sounds like, the same Samsung 4k monitor (U28D590). 

I am also concerned about the amount of VRAM on the 3080, especially when DX12 arrives, so I understand why skip went for the 3090, and if the money was no problem, then fine! 👍  If I had the money, I would go for the 3090 in an instant.

Due to the VRAM concerns on the 3080, I am waiting for formal news on the 3080 super (or whatever they call want to call it).  I am looking to see if they add more VRAM.  I am not too bothered about higher clock speeds, and I think if they did, it would threaten the 3090 too much.

Another thing is that the AMD 6800XT and 6900XT cards are comparing well, and come with 16GB of VRAM, but I am concerned about their implementation of DLSS (or lack of it at present). 

I really think DLSS v2 is well worth having, and I hope they implement it in MSFS once DX12 arrives.  It could be the game-changer we are all waiting for in terms of performance and visual quality.  

Interesting times!  Although all of this is moot for me until the stock of anything arrives, AMD or Nvidia - I was hoping to treat myself to an early Christmas present - frustrating! ☹️

 

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Edited December 13, 20205 yr by bobcat999

12 hours ago, skipph said:

 Yes. I did do A 1080TI with all the above settings and it did not give me the results that I am seeing now with the 3090. Why are so many skeptics coming out of the woodwork when someone is trying to give a positive spin to a new way of thinking?  The new card stands heads and shoulders over the 1080TI. I would not try to give anyone a false set of hope that my 1080TI could deliver the performance that I am experiencing with the 3090 at these settings.  

It can't of course. The 3090 is supposed to give better performance at higher resolutions, but limiting it at 30 fps makes the upgrade questionable. Hopefully you enjoy it with other games and ray tracing.

Question for you: what's faster between a Lamborghini and a Ford Fiesta, both limited at 30 km/h?

8 hours ago, michaelray said:

Excellent point Ian.

Have my eye on the new Dell Alienware 38’ curved. Hopefully this would play nicely in both MSFS and P3D. 
 

I see from previous posts you have a lot of knowledge on G-Sync. Should the sim fall in the 25 - 30 FPS area would I still expect smoothness?

If it was a hardware based G-Sync monitor, it would work dropping all the way down to 1fps. The range is normally 1- 120+..... also, if you get a good one, you will get zero flickering that some of the cheaper monitors suffer from at lower FPS. 

Edited December 13, 20205 yr by Ianrivaldosmith

10 hours ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

For anyone with a 3090, 3080 etc.... you really need G-Sync. It’s often and overlooked factor I think, but, G-sync completely smooths it out. Especially 4K between 40-60fps. You don’t need the FPS counter on.  It just becomes irrelevant. 
People spend this money on GPU’s and CPU’s but often overlook the monitor specifications. It makes a massive difference. 

Ian, I tried to look at YouTube video's on G-Sync, but to tell the truth I never understood it.

My new monitor is and set to G-Sync. ( the latest firewire with no flicker) I still use RTSS to set FPS for all the sim's and games I play.

MSFS 40

DCS 60

Doom E 60

Cyberpunk 60

RDR2 60

I also have the FPS counter on and all the above never go below what I set, but please educate me on what I should do and how I should set all the above.

Thank you.

 

Just now, Nyxx said:

Ian, I tried to look at YouTube video's on G-Sync, but to tell the truth I never understood it.

My new monitor is and set to G-Sync. ( the latest firewire with no flicker) I still use RTSS to set FPS for all the sim's and games I play.

MSFS 40

DCS 60

Doom E 60

Cyberpunk 60

RDR2 60

I also have the FPS counter on and all the above never go below what I set, but please educate me on what I should do and how I should set all the above.

Thank you.

 

No need to limit FPS when using g-sync, because the monitors refresh rate will match the FPS anyways. If you private message me I can help you get it setup. 

13 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

If it was a hardware based G-Sync monitor, it would work dropping all the way down to 1fps. The range is normally 1- 120+..... also, if you get a good one, you will get zero flickering that some of the cheaper monitors suffer from at lower FPS. 

Thanks for your response Ian. 

little bit off topic, but as we are talking about the RTX 3090 - are people aware of the situation going on with Nvidia and Hardware unboxed - bloody disgusting by team green imo.

The VRAM and DX12 if P3D v5 is to go by and I hope MSFS will be a lot better than DX12 in P3Dv5 but VRAM will be a big think.

My Current 3080 to buy here in the UK is £800 the 3090 version is £1600. Everyone has different ideas on what's to expensive. But its a huge amount imo to spend a GFX. If anyone here can afford one and am truly happy for them.

I will have to make due with my "Ferrari engine in a pickup truck with a 10 gallon gas tank" humble words from a 3090 owner. I hope DX12 will be better implemented into MSFS than P3D v5.

Mean time I am very grateful for what I have. Not what I cannot afford. Be that a 3090 or a Ferrari.

Edited December 13, 20205 yr by Nyxx

interesting thread,

i am one of the 60fps believers people, but i tried yesterday this 30hz thing and i must say it looks

really nice and it is fluid, not 100% exsactly like real 60fps, but you have everyhing on Ultra, everything.

This mode is maybe something for movie creators, i will try this myself.

I have no experience with a G-Sync monitor but this sounds interesting too.

With all this nice infos i still preffer to fly in VR 😄 cant say more, its verboten!

6 hours ago, w6kd said:

Wait until DX12 shows up and people are howling at the moon about running out of VRAM.

The only application that just shuts down when the VRAM budget is expended is Prepar3D v5. It is highly doubtful Asobo will handle this the same way.

1 hour ago, bobcat999 said:

Due to the VRAM concerns on the 3080, I am waiting for formal news on the 3080 super (or whatever they call want to call it).  I am looking to see if they add more VRAM.  I am not too bothered about higher clock speeds, and I think if they did, it would threaten the 3090 too much.

RTX 3080 Ti, 82 SMs (same as RTX 3090), 20GB GDDR6X on a 320-bit bus. If it's using the new GA102 bin, boost clocks up to ~2.2GHz. So it is pretty much expected to replace the RTX 3090 at a slightly lower price point in order to compete with the RX 6900 XT.

1 hour ago, bobcat999 said:

but I am concerned about their implementation of DLSS (or lack of it at present).

They're working on a DirectML solution which will be vendor-agnostic and should work on AMD, NVIDIA and the Xbox Series S|X. Maybe PlayStation 5 too. It will probably be an FP16 implementation so likely not as good as DLSS 2.0, but it should be at least as good as DLSS 1.9.

33 minutes ago, hanhamreds said:

little bit off topic, but as we are talking about the RTX 3090 - are people aware of the situation going on with Nvidia and Hardware unboxed - bloody disgusting by team green imo.

They retracted this decision but only after they were called out. It was probably less about being called out and more about realising how out of touch they are with their userbase. Seems weird that they're getting so comfortable when they have competition now, but then Radeon's marketing continues to be awful to this day.