https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1130632_toyota-ev-with-solid-state-batteries-10-minute-full-charge-prototype-reportedly-due-in-2021

 

Recharged in TEN MINUTES. Double the range of Lithium Ion.

If true, will be a Tesla beating game changer.

 

Edited December 15, 20205 yr by martin-w

Very interesting. I remember reading few years that Toyota had abandoned battery technology in favor of hydrogen fuel cells. The times they are a changin'..........

Double the range of what is now 200-300 miles on a full charge and a 10 minute recharge.....I'm sold!

Me too. If they actually pull this off I'll buy the first one I can find.

They announced a prototype. Sounds good on paper, but I'm guessing it will be several years until production models will be available. But at what price..? And then we'll also need a massive development of supercharger infrastructure for that 10-minute charge. Don't think a household plug will do the trick.

 

But if they (or any other manufacturer) pull it off - I also thought Toyota wanted to go down the hydrogen fuel cell road - it will be a game changer. The main range anxiety argument, not wanting to hang around for ages before heading onward on a journey, will be moot.

 

But until those cars are on the market I'll hang on to my internal combustion vehicles :)

 

Cheers

Mallard

9 hours ago, martin-w said:

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1130632_toyota-ev-with-solid-state-batteries-10-minute-full-charge-prototype-reportedly-due-in-2021

 

Recharged in TEN MINUTES. Double the range of Lithium Ion.

If true, will be a Tesla beating game changer.

 

The magic word being greecarreports.com   This is advertising for Toyota. 

 

 

 

I will jump on electric when they come up with a manual EV transmission. I like 5 speed but from what I read 3 speed manual is more suitable for an EV engine due to the torque, but as they are programmed by a chip you could also change the parameters. You could also replicate the downshifting by using regenerative resistance to create resistance, all things that can be done to replicate the feel of a Manual on an EV

Edited December 16, 20205 yr by Matthew Kane

Where is the battery made? 

13 hours ago, Mallard said:

They announced a prototype. Sounds good on paper, but I'm guessing it will be several years until production models will be available. But at what price..? And then we'll also need a massive development of supercharger infrastructure for that 10-minute charge. Don't think a household plug will do the trick.

 

But if they (or any other manufacturer) pull it off - I also thought Toyota wanted to go down the hydrogen fuel cell road - it will be a game changer. The main range anxiety argument, not wanting to hang around for ages before heading onward on a journey, will be moot.

 

But until those cars are on the market I'll hang on to my internal combustion vehicles 🙂

 

Cheers

Mallard

My thoughts, exactly.

14 hours ago, Mallard said:

They announced a prototype. Sounds good on paper, but I'm guessing it will be several years until production models will be available.

Mallard

 

Toyota are estimating 2025 for the product to be available.

 

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But at what price..? And then we'll also need a massive development of supercharger infrastructure for that 10-minute charge. Don't think a household plug will do the trick.

 

It will be competitive on cost or there's no point. It wont need a massive development of supercharger infrastructure because  ALL VEHICLES won't suddenly be electric with this solid state technology over night. It will take time for this game changing technology to be adopted. And we do have a rather impressive supercharger infrastructure already, 99% of the US population is covered already. And impressive in Europe too and expanding worldwide rapidly.  

Supercharger facilities aren't the strain on the grid many believe. They have banks of batteries in addition to mains power. And with the aid of the "smart grid" no big deal.

The vehicles will be able to be charged at home. Might not be the ten minute charge you would get at a supercharger, but that's no big deal, you charge them at night when you are sleeping. 

 

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 I also thought Toyota wanted to go down the hydrogen fuel cell road - it will be a game changer. The main range anxiety argument, not wanting to hang around for ages before heading onward on a journey, will be moot.

 

Hydrogen will be in the mix. Useful for lorries, busses, delivery vehicles, and shipping. We wont see much in the way of hydrogen powered cars though in my opinion. The refuelling infrastructure is nightmarishly expensive and of course batteries are now miles ahead in development. Pretty sure Toyota are coming around to this realisation. 

Edited December 16, 20205 yr by martin-w

17 hours ago, charliearon said:

Double the range of what is now 200-300 miles on a full charge and a 10 minute recharge.....I'm sold!

2-300 miles a bit optimistic on the current range of many electric vehicles, most BMW and Mercedes electric cars can be severely affected by the temperatures to the point where their range is down to something closer to 70 miles maximum on a full charge.

12 hours ago, Matthew Kane said:

I will jump on electric when they come up with a manual EV transmission. I like 5 speed but from what I read 3 speed manual is more suitable for an EV engine due to the torque, but as they are programmed by a chip you could also change the parameters. You could also replicate the downshifting by using regenerative resistance to create resistance, all things that can be done to replicate the feel of a Manual on an EV

 

No point in an EV though. They don't require a gearbox. Electric motors generate a consistent amount of torque throughout the RPM range. It would be dead weight, a pointless decrease in performance due to increased mass.

For fun though, if you are into changing gear, something we in the UK are so accustomed to we find a chore...  😁 There are are classic car conversions around that  still retain the gearbox.

https://www.electricclassiccars.co.uk/

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, Chock said:

2-300 miles a bit optimistic on the current range of many electric vehicles, most BMW and Mercedes electric cars can be severely affected by the temperatures to the point where their range is down to something closer to 70 miles maximum on a full charge.

 

SOME electric vehicles have a short range yes. But then we have the Model S that now has a 402 mile range. 70 miles is rare now, except on cheap low range electric vehicles and I'm talking about older models. Or models specifcally desighned to be low cost city cars. 

Edited December 16, 20205 yr by martin-w

10 hours ago, martin-w said:

 

SOME electric vehicles have a short range yes. But then we have the Model S that now has a 402 mile range. 70 miles is rare now, except on cheap low range electric vehicles and I'm talking about older models. Or models specifcally desighned to be low cost city cars. 

I've driven brand new Beemers and Mercs which could only go 70 miles on a full charge, these were not old, cheap cars.

I'll try again.  Where Is the battery being made?  Which country.?